"ZODE" from Pacific High School in San Bernardino

Somebody shared the text of a post KATANA made some time back. Here it is:

"I want to give credit to Zander Kite and all of the code breaking sleuths who worked together on the below thread pertaining to the 340 cipher. The following is part of a thread that I discovered in which Zander Kite and many other dedicated members of this web site worked to resolve the 340 cipher. What Zander and the other code breakers did not know is that in the last 20 letters ( LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL) is the First and Last name of the PHS-Z with 7 remaining letters forming SHOOING (Letter T missing to make up word SHOOTING) . The PHS-Z has a very unique last name and unless you know what it is, one would be hard pressed to unravel/recognize his name from the 20 letters It was only because I knew the PHS-Z’s full name that I was able to recognize the significance of Zander’s and his team’s accomplishment"


Anyone know if this is the case? The way I see it, seems to be a letter or two off. Anyone know if Kite had an opinion on this?

Zander has vanished from the Zodiac online community for a very, very long time now.

At long last, Katana is heard from again. I would very much like to hear what else he has to say.

Nachtsider wrote:

Zander has vanished from the Zodiac online community for a very, very long time now.

At long last, Katana is heard from again. I would very much like to hear what else he has to say.

Me too Nach...KATANA has joined the forum, and hopefully, will post soon. Please everyone, try to take it slow with him, even with all this fascination with ZODE.

I'd suggest starting a separate thread for him to answer our questions.

I saw something over on Zodiackillerfacts today that got me wondering. Someone had posted in the Kathleen Johns thread about an incident that happened a few days before the Johns incident. It was detailed in the Graysmith book, ZODIAC (page 134 in my book)

"Sunday March 15,1970- In Santa Rosa, a man frightened three separate women motorists in an identical manner between 3&4 am. At 5:10 am, police stopped a man whose auto and license number matched their descriptions. The man, who was driving a white 62-64 chevy, was identified as a Vallejo resident, 'about 23 years old', was stopped on fourth street after he had followed a woman right into the post office parking lot. He claimed that he was lost and looking for a way out of town. The police let the man go, and escorted him out of town."

"Tuesday, March 17, 1970- A Vallejo woman was on her way to Travis AFB, when a white Chevy began to tailgate her. The driver kept looking at herand then began 'blinking lights, banging his horn', and tried to get her to stop. She raced ahead, and eventually was able to outdistance the car"

I have read these things before, but upon further reflection today, some things really stood out to me as follows:

* White Chevy was the same car reported to have been at the scene of the LHR murders earlier that night.

*Also, some speculation that a white Chevy was seen in front of Darlene's house

*Finally, in regards to the age of the driver (about 23), suspect ZODE would have been exactly 23 years old at this time, which is why I am posting this here. In addition, any of his fellow classmates would have been around the same age, and as we discussed before, perhaps one of his fellow classmates used ZODE's 'Zodiac' persona, and later moved to Vallejo. Also, age 23 (if I remember correctly) was about the same age as the man seen watching the girls at Berryessa, and as I recall, wasnt there allegedly a guy that was in a panic asking people, "whats the fastest way out of Berryessa?"

I certainly cant say ZODE was this driver, but again, maybe a fellow classmate was. I would like to know more details on this. Anyone have anymore info, or thoughts? One person over on ZKFACTS stated that a FOIA request could be made, but I have only done FOIA requests thru the FBI & MILITARY, so I wouldnt even know how to go about doing one thru a police department.

I will post this same post in the Johns thread...as it relates to her case possibly.

I called Santa Rosa PD and asked them if a record or report of this 1970 incident could be found, and they told me that unless it was a murder case, sexual assault, etc, then it would NOT be on file and would have been purged after so many years.

morf13 wrote:

Somebody shared the text of a post KATANA made some time back. Here it is:

"I want to give credit to Zander Kite and all of the code breaking sleuths who worked together on the below thread pertaining to the 340 cipher. The following is part of a thread that I discovered in which Zander Kite and many other dedicated members of this web site worked to resolve the 340 cipher. What Zander and the other code breakers did not know is that in the last 20 letters ( LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL) is the First and Last name of the PHS-Z with 7 remaining letters forming SHOOING (Letter T missing to make up word SHOOTING) . The PHS-Z has a very unique last name and unless you know what it is, one would be hard pressed to unravel/recognize his name from the 20 letters It was only because I knew the PHS-Z’s full name that I was able to recognize the significance of Zander’s and his team’s accomplishment"


Anyone know if this is the case? The way I see it, seems to be a letter or two off. Anyone know if Kite had an opinion on this?

Morf, Here is Zander Kite's Feb 14, 2002 post, which explains his final solution for the last 20 letters of the 340. . Kite's last paragraph, where he explains the symbols, is key, especially the sentence " Also the "I"(looks like a one)= I or A. I think this was done because the "I" in "GIVE" could also be "GAVE", so Zodiac allows both letters to equal the symbol "I". As I mentioned in my original post, had Kite been aware of the unique spelling of the PHS-Z's last name he would have recognized how the remaining 20 letters revealed the PHS-Z's first and last name and that the remaining seven letters formed SHOOING (Possibly meant to be SHOOTING).

By Zander Kite (Zk) (a010-1024.stbg.splitrock.net - 64.196.37. on Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:30 am:
Here is, what I believe is, the real solution: HERCEANB I GIVE THEM HELL TOO. BTSAL TESEH. LSPOI. LUEHS THEO LHS SEE A NAME BWEOL LRKESEIL ZLFMI. A PHILOS GAEM. EMRNAOD ME AGPCET TO ALSTB NEUOGH BLZEA. THESE FOOLS HALLS EETM ILKLER EPLOS. YASSLZA. LUNB. SOEL AT PLSEULRAALE (IT) ALEK (TI). SO ETOERS, I EAT A ILLOLPL, AESSOLH. IAHL OT N., MR. A.H. PHNEA EAKL. O' BALLL. (SLGVEP) SEAECBUE ALL IOLWLL STOENL EITHER. O' TLEA EAT. LHASL I HELL HSALS O' IOSHT. (A) THE IPG(M) STALLS. A-OLE. LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL.

All symbols equal only one symbol except: K=K or S. F=P or H or F=PH(used once only in POLISH). The "-"=L,E, or D"(A play on LED Z?).The Zodiac symbol=L, The colored Zodiac symbol=Z. But I believe Zodiac switched a couple to be tricky. L.Z again? [b][b] Also the "I"(looks like a one)= I or A. I think this was done because the "I" in "GIVE" could also be "GAVE", so Zodiac allows both letters to equal the symbol "I". [/b]The code without the (false sequences and letters(and there are very few)) reads: Herb Caen, I give them hell too. Blast these. Spoil. Sleuth(THEO)should see a name below killeers Z-film. A Polish game. Pardon me agcept to blast enough blaze. These fools shall meet killer poles. Lazya$$. Lunb. Soel at Pllleaasure Lake. So resteo(rested), I eat a lollli p., a$$ho1e. Hail to N., Mr. A.H. Phane(phone) Lake because all willo' stolen either. O' late tea. Shall I hell slash O' Toshi. The pig (M) stalls. A-ole. LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL. Those last 20 letters are anagrammed as: Hello, i'm Theo Kaczynsgi. [/b]

I am not absolutely sure what Zander Kite thought was the correct 340 solution in 2002 or so, as he has continued work on it since then.

So you are saying that in the last 20 letters of a proposed 340 solution, you can find the letters to spell the name of the PHS Zodiac suspect?

Below is the raw 340 Zodiac Code and the what is basically the 1986 Graysmith 340 solution, which I can say is definitely what both Kite and I (and many others) think is the correct solution.





Can you get the full name of the PHS Zodiac suspect out of the last 20 letters in either the raw code or the solution? By extreme anagram use?

And if so, we have to ask, is that significant? Is their any pattern to the name, or is just exteme anagrams and jumbles?

In the last 24 letters of the raw code, you can get KACZYNSKI.

In the solution you can get on the 3rd line THEO and on the 4th line SEE A NAME.

In the last 34 letters of the solution you can get CHA_LES MANSO_ . A clue to CHARLES MANSON?

In the last line of the solution appears LEO, as is, no anagrams.

In the 7th line of the solution, last 5 letters, is an anagram for BELLI.

I am not saying it is of no interest to get a name out of the raw code or solution. I think it is interesting. But we have to look at how the name appears, how often it appears, in how many codes, where it appears, what other phrases or clues are by the name and if it is part of an overall consistent mathematical pattern and decode method.

I found that most researchers dismiss the appearance of THEO, KACZYNSKI, MANSON, BELLI and LEO as mere coincidences, so my guess is most would also dismiss the appearance of the PHS Zodiac suspect's names as well.

A couple of things I found interesting in this thread related to the POI:
1. the art store link (felt tip pens, special paper)
2. what I think looks like a + for 'and' in the car ad

I know we can't post ZODES real name on the forum. But some of us are privy to it.
I say this part of the code looks interesting, LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL.

I do understand how other names can show up. But this name is a very peculiar name to begin with.
Never Ever saw or heard a last name like this one.
Not saying ZODES the Z. But I think every POI deserves to honestly be looked into. I don't think we
need to say one POI is a better choice then the other. We all want the same thing, for the Z to be caught.
Let's dig a little deeper on Zode. That's all I am saying.

Does anybody know how to post a sound file here???? If somebody can help me, I would like to share a sound bite of ZODE, so people can make their own mind up about his voice. I edited out any info that would id him. Please let me know if you can help, thanks.

morf13 wrote:

Does anybody know how to post a sound file here???? If somebody can help me, I would like to share a sound bite of ZODE, so people can make their own mind up about his voice. I edited out any info that would id him. Please let me know if you can help, thanks.

You might want to ask Chris Y. I know he can do pod casts. Can you tape ZODE into a pod cast? Or prehaps someone else can help?

My 'PROS VS CONS' list for ZODE being Zodiac:

PROS-
*Admittedly called himself Zodiac
*Has southern CA connection that Zodiac may very well have had
*Lived very close to Kathleen Johns at time of her attack
*Has a weird fascination with Melvin Belli
*Seems to fit the Zodiac profile in many ways, loner, unsuccessful with women, menial jobs,failed at college, etc

CONS-
*Only 23 at time of 1969 Z murders, younger than some estimates
*No confirmed ties to Vallejo or San Fran area(although he may have had a relative in the area)
*The limited printed writing of his I have seen does not look much like Zodiac's in my opinion

morf13 wrote:

My 'PROS VS CONS' list for ZODE being Zodiac:

PROS-
*Admittedly called himself Zodiac
*Has southern CA connection that Zodiac may very well have had
*Lived very close to Kathleen Johns at time of her attack
*Has a weird fascination with Melvin Belli
*Seems to fit the Zodiac profile in many ways, loner, unsuccessful with women, menial jobs,failed at college, etc

CONS-
*Only 23 at time of 1969 Z murders, younger than some estimates
*No confirmed ties to Vallejo or San Fran area(although he may have had a relative in the area)
*The limited printed writing of his I have seen does not look much like Zodiac's in my opinion

Do you know Morf (or does anyone) if Zode did any military service or maybe had a relative that did?

Jon55 wrote:

morf13 wrote:

My 'PROS VS CONS' list for ZODE being Zodiac:

PROS-
*Admittedly called himself Zodiac
*Has southern CA connection that Zodiac may very well have had
*Lived very close to Kathleen Johns at time of her attack
*Has a weird fascination with Melvin Belli
*Seems to fit the Zodiac profile in many ways, loner, unsuccessful with women, menial jobs,failed at college, etc

CONS-
*Only 23 at time of 1969 Z murders, younger than some estimates
*No confirmed ties to Vallejo or San Fran area(although he may have had a relative in the area)
*The limited printed writing of his I have seen does not look much like Zodiac's in my opinion

Do you know Morf (or does anyone) if Zode did any military service or maybe had a relative that did?

Not that I know of.

Interesting things about ZODE, some are a recap:

*He lived 2.85 miles away from the home where Kathleen Johns lived, at 847 Campus Way. A straight road with one turn is what divides the two homes. Although ZODE has lived in that town for 40+ years, he claims he doesnt know the Campus Way street. He also states he never knew Johns.

*Although he attended high school with 'PATRICIA HAUTZ', Zode claims he did not know her. (There was like 1200 or more students that year that graduated, so I believe it is quite possible he didnt know her)

*Despite Belli saying there were police involved with his meeting with ZODE, and despite the fact more than one person, including KATANA, gave info about ZODE to police, ZODE claims he has never been questioned about the Zodiac case by ANY police.

*Multiple people state that ZODE used the term "This is the Zodiac speaking", but ZODE flat out denies that.

*After viewing several photos of various Zodiac case victims & possible suspects, ZODE only said one looked familiar...he picked out one photo of a girl and said "she looks like a girl named Cheri I used to know". He told me her last name, I dont remember what it was, but I had never heard the last name before. The photo he picked out was of Cheri Jo Bates.

Morf - I thought Hautz looks somewhat like Bates.

Did you, or can you, show him a picture of Hautz and ask if he knew this girl?

AK Wilks wrote:

Morf - I thought Hautz looks somewhat like Bates.

Did you, or can you, show him a picture of Hautz and ask if he knew this girl?

Here she is:


ZODE opened up his yearbook while on the phone with me, and said he didnt know her.

Zamantha wrote:

I know we can't post ZODES real name on the forum. But some of us are privy to it.
I say this part of the code looks interesting, LAOCITHHEGSZEOMYIKNL.

I do understand how other names can show up. But this name is a very peculiar name to begin with.
Never Ever saw or heard a last name like this one.
Not saying ZODES the Z. But I think every POI deserves to honestly be looked into. I don't think we
need to say one POI is a better choice then the other. We all want the same thing, for the Z to be caught.
Let's dig a little deeper on Zode. That's all I am saying.

Hi Zam. I agree, this POI warrants further investigation. However, as Katana points out above, the same variables also give us 'Hello, I'm Theo Kaczynsgi' By the way, Morf pointed out that a few letters were missing to spell out Zode's name but if you apply the skeleton card logic whereby one or two letters are shared you can get the full first name, last name and 'shooting' with a 'Y' left over.

morf13 wrote:

Interesting things about ZODE, some are a recap:

*He lived 2.85 miles away from the home where Kathleen Johns lived, at 847 Campus Way. A straight road with one turn is what divides the two homes. Although ZODE has lived in that town for 40+ years, he claims he doesnt know the Campus Way street. He also states he never knew Johns.

*Although he attended high school with 'PATRICIA HAUTZ', Zode claims he did not know her. (There was like 1200 or more students that year that graduated, so I believe it is quite possible he didnt know her)

*Despite Belli saying there were police involved with his meeting with ZODE, and despite the fact more than one person, including KATANA, gave info about ZODE to police, ZODE claims he has never been questioned about the Zodiac case by ANY police.

*Multiple people state that ZODE used the term "This is the Zodiac speaking", but ZODE flat out denies that.

*After viewing several photos of various Zodiac case victims & possible suspects, ZODE only said one looked familiar...he picked out one photo of a girl and said "she looks like a girl named Cheri I used to know". He told me her last name, I dont remember what it was, but I had never heard the last name before. The photo he picked out was of Cheri Jo Bates.

Hi Morf. You mentioned the name earlier in the thread - 'Cheri Teel'.

On a related note, can anyone remind me of the interview that was one with Patricia Hautz regarding the letter signed by her - am I correct in thinking she said she may have written it but couldn't remember?

Luke68 - "Hi Morf. You mentioned the name earlier in the thread - 'Cheri Teel'.

On a related note, can anyone remind me of the interview that was one with Patricia Hautz regarding the letter signed by her - am I correct in thinking she said she may have written it but couldn't remember?"


AK - The saga of the Hautz Letter went on for 19 pages, with a lot of twists and turns!

https://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t39-patricia-hautz-letter-from-november-1967?highlight=hautz

Any detailed discussion of the letter should be in that thread.

ZODE did go to the same school as Hautz, but denies knowing anyone by that name or anyone matching her photo. We know that from Morf's interview with ZODE.

Both Mike Butterfield and Morf discovered handwriting from Mary Patricia Hautz that did match the envelope, but Hautz stated she had no particular memory of writing this strange letter seeking sympathy and understanding for a killer. But it seems the handwriting match ended the issue for most researchers.

I have made it clear I don't think much of ZODE as a suspect, but one of the interesting things about him, I admit, is that he went to the same school as Hautz.

I have my own take on the Hautz letter, and how it may tie in with the real Zodiac attending that school or following Hautz.

bruce3 = "If young Z worked say even part time in the RP mailroon it would give him access to letters coming in to the editor."

AK = That is true, no doubt. The other possibility is what if Zodiac was following Pat Hautz? Several have commented on a basic similarity in look between Bates and Hautz. Young girls of about the same age, same hair length, both very pretty, both intelligent. What if Z was following Hautz, and saw her throw away the envelope - it does have a cross out on it, big enough that most people would throw it away I think. What if Z thought it might be a great way to send a letter to the editor in a way that would not be traceable to him? Who knows - and I am getting into pure speculation, here, I admit - what if he even thought it might be interesting to have a letter from Pat Hautz, with her actual handwriting on the envelope, expressing sympathy for the "boy" who killed Bates? And maybe he even contemplated making Hautz a victim, with police then looking at the letter as possible evidence that Hautz knew her killer?

I think the majority of the Z research world will accept Pat Hautz as the likley writer based on the handwriting match to the envelope, and the police seem to have no interest. And that may well be the simplest and most logical answer.

But I think it is possible the Hautz envelope was retrieved from the trash and used by Zodiac to send something he typed, and that he printed "ATTN: Editor" on the envelope. But I doubt that can ever be proven, and most will reject it as too far fetched, though it seems Z did get the paper for the Exorcist letter out of the trash, and it does explain why Hautz has no memory of writing this letter, and why the "ATTN:Editor" matches Zodiac writing and the P" matches Hautz writing.





I never noticed that or heard it discussed, but it does look very rumpled and crinkled, consistent with it being thrown away and rescued from the trash. And the envelope has the cross out, also consistent with it being tossed out.

Bruce3 noted the letter looked very wrinkled, and I posted the above. The possibility being discussed - fairly speculative, I admit, and probably impossible to ever prove - is based on the following:

1. Pat Hautz admits to writing letters to the editor.

2. Pat Hautz apparently has no memory of writing this particular letter, despite the odd and memorable subject matter.

3. The paper the letter was typed on is extremely crinkled, possibly meaning it was got from trash.

4. The envelope cursive writing appears to be a strong match to the writing of Pat Hautz.

5. The envelope has a cross out on it, indicating it may have been thrown away and got from the trash.

6. The print writing of "ATTN: Editor" matches the style of the confession envelope and the handwriting of Zodiac.

7. There is some evidence Zodiac got the paper for the Exorcist letter from the trash, as it is also full of crinkles and looks like it had been thrown away.

"Fellow student"....of whom? Not Cheri's.

Patricia and Zode weren't only at the same school, they were in the same class. There were certainly many people in high school we didn't know. Especially THAT school. I have never seen so many students!

tahoe27 wrote:

"Fellow student"....of whom? Not Cheri's.

Patricia and Zode weren't only at the same school, they were in the same class. There were certainly many people in high school we didn't know. Especially THAT school. I have never seen so many students!

Which would lead me to think that even if PH did write the letter, she wouldn't have had Zode in mind. The letter squarely puts the blame on the parents in this instance. Surely a letter regarding Zode would be more around his peers and the bullying that could result in something like Cheri's murder? The letter is very specific in blaming the perpetrator's parents and to me that is likely to mean that the author new not only the person they thought committed the crime but also their family life.

AK ,I don't think that what you posted is a stretch at all, it makes total sense ! I also believe that the Z has copied printing from other people. to throw off the police ( more or less to screw with them ).

Something that I have heard about letters being wrinkled up by perps. Is that they sometimes do this to smudge their finger prints up. Especially if they didn't have gloves handy at the time it was written.
My take on the PH letter ,is that she did not remember ever writing it. And that it wasn't like anything that she would have written.
DNA should be done on that envelope, to be sure one way or the other.

I think that the killer wrote it, and felt that he had a very hard life growing up, and that people should feel sorry for him. I doubt he was sorry for killing CJB, it appears to me that he wanted to punish Joseph Bates, and that was why he wrote a note to him. The paper that was used to write" Bates had to die", I felt could have been CJB's paper from her note book ? It could have been just another way for the killer to say : I was the one , and here is paper from her note book to prove it.

Luke68 wrote:

Which would lead me to think that even if PH did write the letter, she wouldn't have had Zode in mind. The letter squarely puts the blame on the parents in this instance. Surely a letter regarding Zode would be more around his peers and the bullying that could result in something like Cheri's murder? The letter is very specific in blaming the perpetrator's parents and to me that is likely to mean that the author new not only the person they thought committed the crime but also their family life.

Unless, of course, Zode was abused in the home, too.

I maintain that Patricia knows something.