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onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Lake Berryessa Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:34 am | |
| And here we go again, a young couple, all alone, ambushed and murdered. This time Zodiac wears a costume/disguise. The girl is 22 years old,and the boy 20 yrs of age. Zodiac stabs them both with a knife, that appears to be a kitchen knife, with cotton surgical tape wrapped around the handle. The boy survives, and states that when Zodiac ties the girl's hands, his hands are shaking and when Zodiac stabs the girl he goes into a frenzy. The responding police state her groin area is soaked in blood. He then walks away and leaves a felt tip pen message on their car door indicating the dates of all three murders, and his gunsite symbol. This murder is up close and personal, intimate, filled with emotion. He has successfully killed three young women now. The boy who survives, describes the killer as being 20 to 30 years of age, based on voice, was 5'8" to 6'0" tall, 160 to 200lbs. He said he saw some dark brown hair through the slits in Zodiac's mask. He said his stomach looked sloppy and hung over his pants. He described the killer's speech to be drawl (slow speech). The investigators discover shoe prints at the scene of the crime, traced back as military issues "Wing Walkers", size 101/2R or 101/2D in civilian sizing. There also is a glass bottle recovered from behind the tree where Zodiac was watching the couple. Correlations to the crime scene and my suspect Once again the victims are the same age as my suspect, who is now 20 years of age. His height is 5'9',his weight is 165lbs, and he has brown hair (with an auburn tint). His shoe size is 9 1/2 EE, with him wearing a 10 if it didn't come in a wide enough width. I had to pick up his Red Wing work boots once a year from the Red Wing store on San Pablo Ave., in Richmond, and they kept his size on an index card. He would often tell the story of quitting ROTC when he dropped out of San Jose State the year of 1969. He would say he handed them his boots and told them, "I am no longer interested in your program." see below the image of Oakland CA High School students wearing ROTC issued footwear and the image of the Wing Walker issued boots/shoes. He does not weigh 200 lbs, but my belief is that he padded his shirt, hence the sloppy over his trouser's look. He speaks very slowly,deliberatley,with pauses for effect,but with calm authority. He terrorized me on many occassions with knives, by trade he used knives,and would frequently take my kitchen knives and keep them for his work purposes. I have seen knives he owned wrapped with the cotton tape described. Above our kitchen table, and all over the linoleum floor, there were knife marks where he threw the knives. The murders are focused on females, this one being particularly brutal, my suspect is likely the sexual abuse victim of his mother, who was discovered abusing our own son who was only five years of age. My suspect is now home from college, moves up the street from his parents into the Big Pink. He gets a job at the same elementary school he attended as a child as a Janitor. He spends the summer making the scene in San Francisco, meeting and conversing with many famous people. In the summer of 1978, when we were first married, he took me to a certain spot at Lake Berryessa. We packed a picnic, and he drove me to a place he knew of, he would take me to this same spot over and over during our marriage. Once we arrived we carried the ice chest and food down to a location under some trees. My suspect would leave to the right on his own, he came back in a rush, said we had to leave, we grabbed the ice chest and ran back to the parking lot. Everything went black, he was paranoid and up tight until we got back closer to home.
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Paul Stine Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:53 am | |
| October 1969, a white male is observed in a cab in San Francisco by two young teenagers. The cab driver has his head in the man's lap in the front seat. The teenagers witness the white man making wiping motions with a white cloth, over the cab driver's body, above the steering wheel. Then the white man gets out of the cab and goes over to the driver's side of the cab and repeats this wiping motion with a white cloth. The man then walks out into the darkness of the city, leaving the bleeding cab driver splayed out . The teenagers give a description of the assailant to the police and a composite sketch of the killer is prepared. They state he is 25 to 30 years of age, that he is stocky, that his hair is reddish brown, that he is 5'8" to 5'9", and that he was wearing thick rimmed eyeglasses.
Correlations to this incident and my suspect
My suspect is 20 years of age. The muder weapon is a .9mm, type of gun which my suspect owned. Vicintiy of this crime a short drive from his location in El Sobrante. Physical description matches exactly, from height to hair color. After we were married in 1978, I found a pair of horm rimmed eyeglasses in a dresser drawer in his closet. He never normally wore them.
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Stine Letter Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:19 am | |
| Zodiac sends a letter now taking credit for the murder of Paul Stine. In a gruesome twist he included a piece of the victim's bloody shirt. Interestingly, Zodiac makes no mention of an encounter with the Police. In this letter he says they drove by him in the dark park. And then he says something horrifying, he speaks of killing school children as they come off a bus. Correlations to my Suspect and this letter. Zodiac is exhibiting hatred for the police. My suspect hated the "fxxxxxx pigs". I witnessed him shove a loaded weapon down in the seat of his arm chair when the police came to our home one day. "Mother fxxxxxx cops, Mother fxxxxxx cops." As soon as they came to the door he couldn't have been nicer, "Hey, guys how you doing, come on in." My suspect also dropped out of college where he majored in criminal justice. Zodiac also speaks of killing children. My suspect was abused as a child by his mother and both parents. There are suspicious incidents regarding my suspect and missing or murdered children. He was actually working at the Elementary School he attended as a child as a Janitor when this letter was written. See the writing comparisons on the envelope sent with the Stine Letter. | |
| | | bentley Chief
Posts : 1340 Join date : 2010-03-06 Location : Bayarea
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:38 am | |
| - onewhoknows wrote:
- Zodiac sends a letter now taking credit for the murder of Paul Stine.
In a gruesome twist he included a piece of the victim's bloody shirt. Interestingly, Zodiac makes no mention of an encounter with the Police.
Yes, that is a might curious that he waited a month to mention it. Could be that when he wrote this letter the composite had no yet been circulated (both are dated the 13th) and he wasn't ready to admit it was him LE encountered, and after the composite made it's way around he felt it obvious they knew it was him, so might was well open up about it. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Dear Bentley Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:46 am | |
| By the way, I couldn't help but find your Avatar photo ironic. My suspect claimed to have partied at Grace Slick's house in Bolinas. He would not say whether or not they were romantic, she finally kicked him out of one party for being obnoxious. He was known to crawl around on his hands and knees at these parties, biting unsuspecting women gently on their ankles. Very entertaining. He also claimed to have at least talked with Janis Joplin. The one he claimed to have had an intimate relationship with was Maria Muldar. | |
| | | bentley Chief
Posts : 1340 Join date : 2010-03-06 Location : Bayarea
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:11 am | |
| - onewhoknows wrote:
- He was known to crawl around on his hands
and knees at these parties, biting unsuspecting women gently on their ankles.
Well there's an approach I never tried. Too late now, all it would get me is a swift kick in the head, followed by an arrest. Sounds like your boy may have been dropping some acid. Although Z never mentioned drugs, might explain his mood swings, unless he was just funnin' with Belli | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:49 pm | |
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| | | Nachtsider Chief
Posts : 927 Join date : 2010-04-20 Age : 37 Location : Behind you
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:23 am | |
| Just finished reading this thread. The conclusion I draw? Here is a creep who merely wanted to terrify his wife by making her believe he was the Zodiac. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:57 pm | |
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: The Dripping Pen Letter and the 340 symbol cipher Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:28 am | |
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: 340 symbol cipher MY NAME IS..... Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:38 am | |
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:39 am | |
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Bus Bomb Letter Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:35 am | |
| The next letter sent by Zodiac is called the "Bus Bomb". It has now been disclosed that Zodiac was observed by the teenagers who were watching that night across the street from the Paul Stine murder. The young boy went downstairs and watched from the darkness. They have given a description of Zodiac and a sketch was drawn, based on their observations. Zodiac has gone too far, he has risked being discovered. The Bus Bomb Letter starts out with how angry he is. He claims 7 people killed, and states he will now make his killings appear like accidents. He appears to be afraid now and begins to backtrack and tries to cover his tracks. He claims that he does not look like he does when he is killing, that he is in disguise. His spelling is poor again. He states he has left no fingerprints behind, to date. He states he covers his fingertips with 2 coats of "airplane cement". He claims he was wiping down Paul Stine's cab to leave "fake clews". He then expresses his dislike of law enforcement and taunts them.
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Bus Bomb Letter continued Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:54 am | |
| On page three of the bus bomb Letter, Zodiac continues to abuse the Police, including claiming he encountered two cops as he walked away from the Paul Stine murder, directing them around the corner, to a man "who was running by waveing a gun". Page four launches into how to make a bomb. My suspect spoke about how easy it was to make a bomb. He would describe the process in this letter, starting with the part about fertilizer. During this time he would be living in the Big Pink which had what they referred to as the basement. If he did build this bomb, I would think the room mate he was living with during this time would be made aware of it. He was working as a Janitor at the elementary school. Page five is the diagram of the Bus Bomb set up. My suspect did make drawings similar to this one on occasion to work out these design ideas he had. Unfortunatley I no longer have these sketches. Once he designed an engine for an automobile. It was a rotary design, his thought was to make a fast race car. It eliminated all the pistons and most of the parts currently used in car engines. My father took it to Aerojet and had some of the engineers run it through the computers there. They said it worked, but it was too fast. It could run on alcohol. He redesigned it into an egg shape. See the writing comparisons below, look at the symbol for "&". | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: The Big Pink Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:01 am | |
| Here is where he was living the summer of 1969 and into the 70s They called it the Big Pink. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Melvin Belli Letter Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:10 am | |
| I wouldn't believe that this letter was written by my Zodiac except for the fact that a piece of Stine's bloody shirt was included with the letter. But then when I read the contents of the letter it appears as though Zodiac is being very sarcastic here. He is letting Melvin Belli know that he knows Melvin's address.
My suspect would have NEVER asked anyone for help with anything. People came to him for advice. He was the Authority. And I am sure he justified everything he ever did, including killing. I wonder if Belli got on TV before this, saying he could help Zodiac if he just turned himself in. It was a very terrorizing letter sent to Belli, he was making fun of him. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: The My Name Is Letter Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:21 am | |
| Zodiac next sends another letter asking if they have cracked his recent code. Then he states "My name is...." I have illustrated above, that I was able to use the solved 340 code referenced, to fit my suspect's name. They are all the letters of his name with the letter A, then his name. His intials are PSP. Notice almost every letter and correspondence Zodiac sends there are many P.S. PS PS He says his bus bomb was a dud, that he got swamped out by rain. See the Big Pink the basement portion of the house had an earth floor. See the writing comparisons below note the unique letter"k" even in cursive it looks frighteningly similar.... | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: The Dragon Card Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| On April 28th, 1970, Zodiac sends a greeting card now threatening a bombing and asking folks to wear nice Zodiac buttons. He maligns Melvin Belli. I'm not sure if I have provided enough handwriting comparisons, but I will give it a break for a moment. All I can say about this Dragon Card is it is much more real to my suspect's personality than the one sent to Melvin Belli's office. On June 26th, he then sends in another letter stating school is out now. It includes a code and a map. The peak of Mount Diablo is marked with the Zodiac Killer's symbol cross hairs in a circle. He is still threatening to kill children. He claims he killed a man with a .38. My suspect's father owned a snub nosed .38 pistol. It is likely where his other guns are being kept, which I have notified LE about. Knowing my suspect he would not have lied about his count of killings, where he is indicating Z-12 SFPD-0 My suspect grew up less than 30 minutes from Mount Diablo and was very familiar with the area. He also spent alot of time up in the Mount Shasta area. They say on a clear day you can see Mount Shasta from the top of Mount Diablo. Mt Shasta is just 240 miles away to the North of Mt Diablo, both in California. My suspect would often remark in the car on the drive up to Shasta, "The engineers who built Interstate 5 used the peak of Mt Shasta as the meridian point." Mt Diablo is the actual Meridian and Base line for determinig property lines for this part of the country. The Meridian Lines run North to South. It runs all the way North from Mt Diablo to Mt Shasta, which is four degrees to the right of the Meridian Line. While looking at a map of Mt Diablo, pointing North, and then moving over just four degrees, I see a road called Marsh Creek. It would have been a route for transporting school children. The Bomb Map shows a diagram of the sun coming up from the east with the mountain breaking away to the right, which would make sense to the location of Marsh Creek to the mountain. Take the peak the meridian is based on, pointing north, go 4 degrees to the right, and it interesects with the Marsh Creek road. Just a thought on this one. Mount Shasta Mount Diablo | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Kathleen Johns Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:54 pm | |
| On July 24,1970, Zodiac sends a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle, stating he is unhappy and so now he "has a little list" starting with the "Woeman" and her baby he gave a ride to for a few "howers" a few months back, that ended with his burning her car. If you look closely his spelling errors are phonetic. In other words, he spells how things sound to him. Earlier that year, in March, a preganant woman with a baby was brought into the Patterson, CA Police station hysterical. She said she was pulled over by what seemed to be a good samaritan who indicated her back tire was loose. He kindly adjusted it for her, and then when she went to drive off, the entire tire fell off. He told her to get into his vehicle and he would drive her to a service station for some help. Except he never did. They passed several stations. At first she asked him if he always helped people like this, and he responded, "When I get through with them they don't need any help." They continued to drive around the Hiway 132 area near Modesto. He started to tell her calmly, "You know I'm going to kill you." He kept repeating this. At one point in time, he states he will throw the baby out of the car. When she felt she could get a break, she jumped from the car with the baby and ran into an orchard. She said he pulled out a flashlight and began to scan for her, but a truck driver came up and asked what was going on. The man got back into his car and drove off. Some passerbys gave she and the baby the ride to the police station. Later when looking for her car, they found it had been set on fire. When brought into the Police station, she became hysterical again when she saw the "Wanted" poster for the Zodiac Killer on the station wall. She said, "That's him!", " That's the man that gave us the ride!" She would recount that his cat was an later model american made, pale is coler, with black buckets seat and a console. She said the man appeared to be 26 to 30 years old, with dark hair and weighing about 165lbs., she said he had pock marks or scarring on his chin. This story speaks to me, because I personally relate to how she was terrorized by this man that night. No one makes up a story to have their car burned, when it offers nothing but problems to a broke pregnant, with young baby, out of towner. I've always thought it was fascinating how authorities think victims have nothing better to do with their time but create these elaborate dramas. No doubt Kathleen Johns was a damaged woman after that encounter. Can any of you who have children imagine how it must feel to have someone threaten to throw your baby out of a moving car? I too experienced Law Enforcement who really did nothing more than take a report, and frequently get the details incorrect. "Tell your neighbors if they hear you screaming, to call 911." "Wish I knew what you were looking for I might have known what you would find Add in something quite peculiar Something shimmering and bright It takes you to your final destination Under the Milky Way tonight." The speech pattern Kathleen Johns describes is very familiar wit they way my suspect spoke. I once had a party and invited an attractive girl from work, who my suspect liked. I feel asleep, and as she was leaving she said he followed her out to her car, and kept saying to her over and over, "I could just kill you." The physical description of my suspect fits nicely as well as the age. The things about Kathleen Johns account which ring true to my suspect start with location: See the maps below, my suspect lived near Richmond, CA a drive to the Hiway 132 area by either taking 580 or Hiway 4 south. There are many escape routes from what appears to be a remote area. See the proximity to Mt. Diablo. See below where I have indicated Hiway 132 on the map Kathleen Johns described a light colored vehicle with black bucket seats with a console. My suspects mother's car which he drove frequently had black bucket seats and a console. A Pontiac Gran Prix see the phot like the car they had, and see my suspect standing behind the actual car with the black interior. | |
| | | bentley Chief
Posts : 1340 Join date : 2010-03-06 Location : Bayarea
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:58 pm | |
| - onewhoknows wrote:
Kathleen Johns described a light colored vehicle with black bucket seats with a console. My suspects mother's car which he drove frequently had black bucket seats and a console. A Pontiac Gran Prix see the phot like the car they had, and see my suspect standing behind the actual car with the black interior.
KJ also stated the car had a cigarette lighter on the console. This is very rare. I don't know if the Pontiac GP had it. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:10 pm | |
| Kathleen Johns continued.... see below photo of the Gran Prix which I pulled from the internet, the actual car had a black top and black interior with bucket seats
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| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: The Mikado Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:51 pm | |
| On July 26, 1970 Zodiac sends in a disturbing psychotic letter. He details how he will torture all his already dead victims in the afterlife. Wow. He then begins to quote an entire song from a Gilbert and Sullivan comedic opera called the Mikado. They were indeed mocking the Japanese, with a main character being Ko-Ko the High Lord and Executioner. And he has a little list of all the people he sees fit to execute. Zodiac qutoes the song, but in a phonetic fashion getting some of lines wrong, much like when we hear a song on the radio and sing lyrics that sound like the song, but are actually incorrect. See below the difference between the written lines form Mikado, versus Zodiac's version. So it appears he listened to this music, but did not have knowledge of it like working it in a play.
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| | | morf13 Admin
Posts : 6416 Join date : 2010-03-04 Age : 53 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:55 pm | |
| Some believe that he was going by memory and not writing the Mikado lines from something he was reading. Others believe he was a groucho marx fan, and was interested in the Mikado because of the version done by Marx. | |
| | | traveller1st Chief
Posts : 1408 Join date : 2011-11-27 Age : 51 Location : Northern Ireland
| Subject: Re: onewhoknows POI Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:12 pm | |
| I wondered if he was actually transcribing it from audio and mis-hearing the lyrics. I'm sure we've all done that - know I have.
Thanks for posting those comparisons OWK. Don't think I've seen them side by side before - very handy. | |
| | | onewhoknows Chief
Posts : 553 Join date : 2011-08-10 Location : In the Valley/Foothills of the Sierra Nevada
| Subject: Halloween Card Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:37 am | |
| On October 27, 1970 zodiac mails a macbre halloween card to San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery. He is indicating 14 victims on this card. Of course, he is terrorizing poor Mr. Avery, letting him know he is being watched.
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