"The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70

tahoe27 wrote:

No doubt this new card was directed at Paul Avery. Paul Avery wrote this article in the S.F. Chronicle on 10/12/70. The sender probably cut their "Mon. Oct 12, 1970" from this same page.

As you can see, shown it it's entirety is the 10/5/70 card. Note the stamp.

This stuff, imo, makes it easy for copy-cats.

I think someone was screwing with P.A., but just not confident it was Zodiac...and this includes the Halloween card.

Sorry, don't always check the off-beat letter threads. Good point on the date, and I agree someone may have been screwing with PA, maybe someone who had contacted him regarding the case whom he had told to buzz off.

The 10/5 FK card is sent to the SF Chronicle. The 10/20 card is mailed to some guy--very much resembling the FK card--while possibly referring to Paul Avery.

Ever since Paul Avery put that letter in his article, SOME letters mailed after that are addressed directly to Paul. ALL of these are the cut & pastes.

Why is it Zodiac LOVED to hand write his letters? He apparently had no problem with it. Now he is going to sit there and cut and paste HIS NAME from newspapers? I don't think so...

Somebody liked the fact Paul Avery included their first card (10/5/70) and decided to direct their future writings to Paul. Cutting out pieces from newspapers is done because they cannot copy the handwriting. Which is apparent, imo. That's my take anyway.

All of these freaking letters really make me wish that LE had made a concerted effort to keep something like the Zodiac symbol from public knowledge, although Zodiac's writing directly to the media would have made this very difficult. I'm not feeling this particular communication as it just seems to be a rehash of the 10/5/70 card utilizing the same cut and paste method. The 10/5/70 card is equally unverifiable but at least has a certain creativity and other intangibles that make me think it is possibly legitimate.

What's freaky is that these two cut & paste communications pre-date the Halloween card, generally considered as authentic, by just a few weeks and foreshadow Z's own use of the cut & paste method. I honestly wonder whether Zodiac didn't actually copycat a copycat here. In other words, he could have read about the 10/5/70 card in the SF Chronicle article by Paul Avery and decided to write Avery himself, one-upping the copycat's cut & paste card with his most creative communication in the same style, which would also make LE wonder if the 10/5/70 card was also legitimate.

Since this "Zodiac is going to.." card was postmarked "Berkeley" with the date on the card as 10/12/70, I thought this bit of Paul Avery's SF Chronicle article of 11/17/70 interesting - see below.


This man from Berkeley contacted the SF Chronicle to tell of an incident that happened 2 years prior. I think the BPD couldn't find a report because none was ever given. Never happened.

Could this card be from the same man? Only a month's time...


Thx to Seagull

Hmm the timing is interesting. And its very Bates-like...

By the way, a little off topic, but the Berkeley thing made me remember, the famed psychic, that guy Delouise,had received what he said were 'strong signals' from Zodiac. He felt "very strongly" that Zodiac, although he killed inVallejo, did NOT live there, and that he actually lived in BERKELEY. For waht its worth, he felt strongly that Z was born on 11/2 or 2/11, that he was not as heavy & stocky as everybody described him(he even looked a bit malnourished), and that he only wore glasses when he killed...Not sure how much I believe in psychics,but this man supposedly had some major predictions come true.

morf13 wrote:

Sorry, I enhanced this and made it as clear as possible. It appears that the writer, or most likely the FBI, has redacted certain words from the postcard.

The text, as far as I can tell, reads as follows:

MONDAY OCT 12,1970

______(word redacted)

THE ZODIAC IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY OF COMMITTING MURDERS.

I SHALL ANNOUNCE WHEN (unreadable) SHALL COMMIT MY MURDERS________(word Redacted) NEXT

YOU TAUGHT ME (unreadable) ______(word redacted)

_____(word redacted) YOU ARE NEXT

ZODIAC, followed by the crosshair symbol.


I wish this was clearer, but its all we have.

My initial thoughts are:

*The author is saying the same thing(or the opposite, its hard to read) as Zodiac did when he said he would no longer commit his crimes. This postcard was sent about 11 months after the Zodiac letter in which he said he would not announce his crimes.

*The postcard has double postage

*The postcard is made up partially, with magazine cutouts like the Lass postcard.


Thoughts & opinions please...

Thanks to the just released Zodiac FBI files, we know that this mailing was sent to Dr. Edward Adams in Orinda, CA -

Probably not Zodiac but assuming it was, why would Zodiac have in it for Dr. Adams ? Maybe Doc Adams left a sponge inside of Zodiac.

Dr. Adams was a psychiatrist!

Wow for some reason I was think he problem was.

Do we know what hospital or medical group Dr. Adams worked out of locally? He lived in Orinda, right?

OWK, as the article says, he was with the Psychoanalytic Institute of Northern California. I tried looking up that institute and found a website for them but what I found says they were founded in 1989. The article was from 1957 so apparently there was another place with the same name back then.

I also found that he was listed as having died in 2004 on a memoriam page for the American Psychiatric Association. He's the first person listed.

http://pnhw.psychiatryonline.org/content/39/6/38.full

Thank you Seagull, I was wondering if Zodiac had some reason to target Dr. Adams. Was Dr. Adams
ever quoted in the newspaper, perhaps regarding Zodiac's psychological profile? Or did anyone
see if Dr. Adams took patients, and if so, were any of them Zodiac?

onewhoknows wrote:

Thank you Seagull, I was wondering if Zodiac had some reason to target Dr. Adams. Was Dr. Adams
ever quoted in the newspaper, perhaps regarding Zodiac's psychological profile? Or did anyone
see if Dr. Adams took patients, and if so, were any of them Zodiac?

From the redacted info in the FBI page, it looks like the Doctor believed the letter came from a former patient.

I did a search at newspaperarchive for him and the last article was dated 1958. There wasn't anything around the time of the Zodiac killings. Doesn't mean he didn't say anything about Zodiac, it just means that it isn't in the newspapers that the website carries.

I found a phone book listing for him on Shattuck in Berkeley, maybe that is where his office was located.

Seagull wrote:

I did a search at newspaperarchive for him and the last article was dated 1958. There wasn't anything around the time of the Zodiac killings. Doesn't mean he didn't say anything about Zodiac, it just means that it isn't in the newspapers that the website carries.

I found a phone book listing for him on Shattuck in Berkeley, maybe that is where his office was located.

"Hotel Shattuck"?

Hi,

great news these files...

Maybe Adams office was the one below, 1476 Scenic Avenue, it is very close to University Avenue (Officer Ronald Tsukamolo was shot at University Avenue for no reason while giving a ticket to a motorcyclist) and this name has a 'Dr.' as a title. What is interesting is that the report even mentions the name of this certain former patient of Dr. Adams, although blanked out by FBI. Anybody some good contacts there?

BTW, Dr. Adams lived in Orinda, just about 1-2 miles from where the Radian theory might lead to (26, St. Stephens Drive). If Z ever lived there, he might've known Dr. Adams before visiting him in his Berkeley office.

Dig the garden.

QT

Perhaps the office of Dr. Adams was at the Hotel Shattuck, and his residence was on Scenic Ave.?

102 Camino Don Miguel, Orinda, CA 94563

Is in the "Sleepy Hollow Country Club" area.

for reference

Is Edward C. Adams still working?
He's in this Doctors Profile Link.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=dr.%20edward%20adams%2C%20102%20camino%20don%20miguel%2C%20orinda%2C%20ca%2094563&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CEcQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.healthnews.org%2Fdoctors%2FCA%2FORINDA%2F80&ei=yGc0UO3CBcWsiAK9pIDoBg&usg=AFQjCNFMgzEb79wm40as1DGZQIeL5EaeaA&sig2=E_10x9iqkBdwJr14qiDhTw

No idea,

Couldn't find anything that suggested how up to date the info is and the profiles all seem to be blank.

Dr. Adams died. I posted something about that yesterday, can't find it now!

Social Security gives this info-

Born: Oct. 3, 1919
Died: May 24, 2004

Seagull wrote:

Dr. Adams died. I posted something about that yesterday, can't find it now!

Social Security gives this info-

Born: Oct. 3, 1919
Died: May 24, 2004

Thanks! Bummer as I was thinking of paying him a visit.
Any info on a wife or children?

I did see a 1958 article where his daughter was getting married. I found where I posted the stuff on Dr. Adams, about 2/3 of the way down there are some posts by me.

https://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t748p60-the-zodiac-is-going-to-postcard-from-10-12-70#31526