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PostSubject: 1990 Eureka Card   Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:02 pm

1990 Eureka Card:





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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:47 pm

They look like some type of older government keys, and I think I see a faint "US" on them...

My observations:

1. It is reminiscent of the Z's "Halloween card, but without any writing, extra pictures, symbols, etc.

2. The envelope writing is very similar to what we have seen of Z's, except it looks traced to me, somehow...

3. There is only one stamp...

4. There is no "RUSH, or Attn Editor", or any little side "postscript" we have come to expect from Z...Instead he puts "editor" as the first address line... I do not see that any code or cipher was included either.

5. Interesting it is from Eureka, as in "Eureka I have found/got it!"...

6. Maybe Z is retired there, if in fact it is from him (which I do NOT think it is...). OTOH, Eureka is only about 10 hours from Seattle WA, and a pretty straight shot, as well...

7. There are 7 very decent libraries, some very specialized in the Eureka area which would make it a possible destination for someone nott too far from there who is interested in that sort of thing.

8. The thing on the keychain almost looks like a mini Dremel tool?...or a mini hex set, or sharpener, or level, or mech. pencil, or mini mag lite, what the hell is it...it's some type of tool I think...

I do not think it is real, unless the partial DNA obtained from other Z stamps looks like the DNA from this one...
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:49 pm

...was this held back on purpose by LE/SFC, or was it actually just forgotten about and found somehow??
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:08 am

Zabagliona wrote:
...was this held back on purpose by LE/SFC, or was it actually just forgotten about and found somehow??

Go to youtube and search for "zodiac roundtable". You will get a large selection of COAST TO COAST radio shows for the Zodiac discussion with Tom V, En Neil, and Mike Bitterfield. One of these (forget which one) has a great explanation of the origins of the Eureka card. Apparently, a reporter found it in storgae at his paper when he was looking for Zodiac stuff to write a story.

Actually, I would recommend anyone here, listen to the entire series of videos on Zodiac. Although I cant personally stand 2 of those 3 guys, they collectively all know their Z stuff, I dont think that can be disputed. As a matter of fact, I will post a link to the vids in another thread. Its over 3 hours long to listen to them all, but there is some good stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:18 am

Thank you!!
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:31 am

Zab... This card presents a very interesting parallel and/or connection to Ted Kaczynski. Take a look at the info provided by Doug Oswell (author Unabomber and the Zodiac). http://unazod.com/eureka.html

To me the address from the envelope and the writing from Ted's card to Ms. Preston is quite remarkable... Not to mention the fact that the cards were sent within days of each other and the stamps are identical. And there is evidence to believe that Ted was familiar with and may have actually been in the area at some point in time during that year.

I think that the Zodiac’s humor (sarcasm, teasing, cryptic) is analogous to that of Ted. I have always pictured the Zodiac at Christmastime 1990 in the card shop and he comes across the Secret Pal card. He has a flashback to his earlier years and entertains a hearty, self-soothing chuckle, thinking…”Ah, this is perfect – a card similar to the one I sent before… this is worth $1.15 to stir up a little remembrance! Don’t need to sign anything, but will just put in a little “clue” to confuse them! Will send to the Chronicle… Wonder if they’re smart enough to figure out who it’s from!”

The card clearly seems to represent a Zodiac connection since it was a Secret Pal card that was sent by the Z at Halloween in 69; HOWEVER, if Ted K. was the writer of the note (and clearly there is a strong parallel with the lettering, year and type stamp he used to send to Ms. Preston), he could have been sending it to the Chronicle NOT as the Zodiac, but as the Unabomber… because, the Unabomber had also sent correspondences to the Chronicle.

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:53 am

I have said that of all the known suspect, Ted K.'s handwriting is the most similar....

However, I am not sure about the rest....I follow your logic, but I am not sure...
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:30 pm

Zabagliona wrote:
I have said that of all the known suspect, Ted K.'s handwriting is the most similar....

However, I am not sure about the rest....I follow your logic, but I am not sure...

It's really more than just the writing, Zab, that has convinced me that there is a most reasonable chance that he could very well be the Z... It's the content of the writings, punctuation, phraseology, paragraphing, numbering, etc. The powerful need to communicate and control through his writings... Additionally, his knowledge and use of codes, communicating with the media, police and victims; threatening to use bombs and then retracting his statement; similarities to suspect description, possible vehicle used... His mathematical background with his specialty being the Unit Circle, perfectly matching the Z's cross-haired circle signature; the numerous mathematical references within Z's correspondences... Too, it is well known that "proof" is a mathematician's special period at the end of their sentence... And in his communications, Zodiac wanted to make sure that he was taken seriously and provided "proof" as to his author....

Other similarities includes his familiarity with hunting, music, love of irony and/or use of sarcasm; his apparent anger towards women or young females and/or couples. The one thing that's missing is "proving" he was there... But, it has also "never" been proven that he was at any other very specific location during the Z crimes (or even mailings)...

To me, this is always a fascinating study on a very high profile suspect...
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:35 pm



You can see that Ted and the Zodiac had the same taste in stamps. And similar handwriting. And both had a desire to be in Northern California in 1990.


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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:38 pm




The strange item with the keys was identified by Doug Oswell as a small pen magnet, often used in gold mining. (I presume to seperate Iron (Fe) from Gold (Au).
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:14 pm

Thank you! I could not figure out what that was, and it was driving me nutz!

Interesting that it is a mining/metallurgy tool...
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:00 pm


FROM GOOD TIMES: (I think these are very similar, but just coincidence)
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:07 pm

The "s"'s are distinctly different as is the number "3", and the small "t", etc. It's similar, but not a match.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:45 am

I also think that this is Ted, and that it is actually a Unabomber communication. AK has anyone ever approached Ted about the card, either in an official or unofficial capacity. If they traced these keys to anybody associated with Ted and asked them about the Zodiac I'm sure they would probably have made light of it seeing as it probably pertains to the Unabomber.

It has long been thought that Ted may have had other associates either financial or helping to make the bombs, I think this communication needs looking into in terms of Unabomber activity. And anyone associated with these keys needs looked at again.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:59 am

Zabagliona wrote:
The "s"'s are distinctly different as is the number "3", and the small "t", etc. It's similar, but not a match.

Too, the "a" is clearly different. Never have seen Zodiac or TK correspondences with the "a" formed like this.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:32 am

As is the case with many suspect writings, there are similarities and differences.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:25 am

I think thsi card is a reference to Stine. I think Z stole his keys and glasses.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:59 am

I doubt this card was from Zodiac.

Those pen magnets were also used by auto shops to detect Bondo.

Those are 100% confirmed PO Box Keys--in case anyone didn't know. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:30 pm

PO Box keys to a PO Box in what city?
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:11 pm

I don't know if it's ever been determined as to what City. The numbers are able to be seen when magnified and you would think since they are P.O. box keys that there would be some specific reference within the number as to the location. It would be great to find out.

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:50 pm

I had assumed at one point it was the Eureka area and that is what led to "Sam"---who I know nothing about, but know was a hot topic for a bit at zk.com.

I have almost identical keys and I specifically asked my mail clerk what info someone might get from those numbers on the keys. He told me they could trace it to the post office, and with a little work identify what box they went to, but nobody in the general public could find out from those numbers.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:06 pm

tahoe27 wrote:
I had assumed at one point it was the Eureka area and that is what led to "Sam"---who I know nothing about, but know was a hot topic for a bit at zk.com.

I have almost identical keys and I specifically asked my mail clerk what info someone might get from those numbers on the keys. He told me they could trace it to the post office, and with a little work identify what box they went to, but nobody in the general public could find out from those numbers.

I asked my post office guy, and he gave me a little different explanation. He said that the numbers on the key have an internal indicator for that post office specifically, and not to the postal service as a whole.

In other words..Joe has PO BX 123. On the back of Joe's key is the number 23758A.

Joe loses his key in the parking lot outside the post office, and it is found and turned in. The postoffice people look up that number and figure out it belongs to Joe at PO BX 123.

BUT....that number 23758A on the back of the key, isnt fed into some central post office system so that every post office across the country can look it up. It is really only relevant to each post office.

So knowing the numbers on the back of the key is only helpful if you know where the PO BX is located that it opens....or at least thats the way it was explained to me.

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PostSubject: 1990 Christmas Card   Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:57 pm

The keys were checked, and found to belong to Sam at a po box in Eureka.
Myself and Dahlia were the ones who helped Tom V. with his Sam investigation.
Sam was a pretty interesting person, and kept us going for a while.
I saw the Card, and believe that it was sent from the Zodiac, but Sam was not the Zodiac.
That thing that was attached to the keys that Mike B said had to be a magnet, turns out that it could have been a pen light. A pen light would make a lot more sense if it was from the Z, not a magnet. I have had these small pen lights before, and I used them to see key holes at night. Z claimed to have used one on his gun at Lake Herman rd.

The picture of keys that were sent with the Christmas card, I think was another game the z likes to play. He could have found them on the ground somewhere ? They were traced to Sam is how he became a suspect.
There are certain things that I have noticed on other cards sent from the Z, that I found on this Eureka card, is why I believe it is a true Z card.

Look back at all the Z like things that happened in 1990 ? Something made him come out from under his rock that yr. It was also the same yr that my suspect forced me to quit my job of many yrs. He was getting more brazen, pointing guns at me, then trying to force me off of roads late at night. It would have been too easy for him to get me had I stayed at my job, and drive 45 miles home each night.
I went into hiding for a few months, but he found me anyway.

My suspect loves his game of cat and mouse, me being the mouse of course lol.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:55 pm

How can you be sure they were his keys?

Can you tell us anything more about Sam? What he looked like? What ge did for a living? Was he involved in political causes?
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:32 am

If this 'Sam' can with 100% certainty be identified as the person those keys belong to (and that would involve the FBI) then he needs to be quizzed about Ted and the Unabomber crimes IMO. AK have any LE or the FBI been shown the Eureka card along with the Preston/stamp/Eureka mailing?
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