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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:49 am

Does anyone find it interesting that the FBI were sent a Christmas card regarding the Zodiac case 1 year after the Eureka card was sent to the Chronicle?

What I find intriguing is that no one knew about the Chronicle card as it was lost for years but after it was sent at Christmas 1990 (a full 21 years after the last murder), someone involved in the case decided to send a Christmas card to the FBI the following Christmas too. Curious and curiouser.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:00 am

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Does anyone find it interesting that the FBI were sent a Christmas card regarding the Zodiac case 1 year after the Eureka card was sent to the Chronicle?

What I find intriguing is that no one knew about the Chronicle card as it was lost for years but after it was sent at Christmas 1990 (a full 21 years after the last murder), someone involved in the case decided to send a Christmas card to the FBI the following Christmas too. Curious and curiouser.

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:53 am

Yeah I never heard about an Xmas card to the FBI. scratch

Where was it sent from? Date? What kind of card?

Give us what info you can and Morf and/or I will do a FOIA for it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:44 am

Here we go... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:08 pm

Ok, now that is weird. I'm pretty sure Gold Purple Catcher sent a really big thing (to someone) about the Mt. Diablo code and the rules to solve it and it was quite lengthy.

Edit: Yah..all this is Goldcatcher/Purple Blaine.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 pm

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Ok, now that is weird. I'm pretty sure Gold Purple Catcher sent a really big thing (to someone) about the Mt. Diablo code and the rules to solve it and it was quite lengthy.

Edit: Yah..all this is Goldcatcher/Purple Blaine.

Yep - 10/10 for Tahoe27!

I found it really strange that there were no cards of any note linked to the Z case for 2 decades and then Christmas 1990 one turns up at the Chronicle and Christmas 1991 Goldcatcher delivers one to the FBI along with his huge manifest on how to solve the Mt Diablo code. Seeing as he apparently had no way of knowing that a card was sent the Christmas before that is a pretty big coincidence.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:29 pm

So do you think the Eureka card could have been sent by Goldcatcher to try and stir up the Zodiac case since he had been trying to out Gaikowski?

I'm not trying to accuse the guy of anything...just thinking out loud.

Would like to see that Christmas card!
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:37 pm

Really don't know what to think to be honest. Seems like it could just be a massive coincidence but I suppose there could be more to it. Would love to know if there's any DNA on that Eureka envelope.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:22 pm

Given Blaine's penchant for out-and-out identifying himself as the originator of a communication, I highly doubt that he sent the enigmatic Eureka card.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:34 pm

Blaine is, to put it mildly, kinda weird.

It seems he delivered his magnum opus 118 page decode to the FBI and also gave them a Xmas card.

That is how I read it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:51 pm

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Blaine is, to put it mildly, kinda weird.

It seems he delivered his magnum opus 118 page decode to the FBI and also gave them a Xmas card.

That is how I read it.

Yes, it wasn't an anonymous posted card but he did deliver a xmas card bundled with a Zodiac document a year after someone else decided to post a Zodiac Christmas card. The case is littered with cards/letters being sent by the killer on anniversaries but there was nothing for decades then all of a sudden 2 xmas cards in 2 consecutive years - one supposedly from the killer and one from someone who supposedly knows the killer. Then nothing again for another 2 decades... confused
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:57 pm

I see your point. But outside of Blaine hoaxing the 1990 card, what could the connection be?

Maybe RG gave Blaine a Xmas card, and Blaine turned it over to the FBI with his code stuff so the FBI could look at RG's handwriting?

I personally will not do a FOIA for this card right now as I think it is likely from Blaine, or possibly from RG, and I just don't have much interest in either, and as I have several FOIA's pending, I don't want to slow them down by adding this to the mix.

If anyone is interested in doing a FOIA, it is simple. Morf and I have discussed the procedures elsewhere, and you can go to the FBI site and it is all explained. Or you can PM me for info.
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PostSubject: Pen Magnet for Mining   Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:32 am

So, am I the only person who thinks there might be a correlation between the pen magnet for mining gold and the greeting card with the miner on the dragon (my ass is a dragon)? Was Zodiac trying to hint that he had an interest in mining?

My POI used haunted mines as themes in some of his stories/artwork, replete with old miners much like the one depicted in the greeting card. That might be it, that might not. But, in any case, I think the Zodiac was trying to give us a hint.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:40 am

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So, am I the only person who thinks there might be a correlation between the pen magnet for mining gold and the greeting card with the miner on the dragon (my ass is a dragon)? Was Zodiac trying to hint that he had an interest in mining?

I'd say that's a bit of a stretch.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:38 am

Interest in mining? I don't think so. Worked in the mining business? Possible. Miners handle explosives, after all.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:13 am

Or it could have been a sick clew from Arthur Leigh Allen - he was into minors. What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:57 am

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So, am I the only person who thinks there might be a correlation between the pen magnet for mining gold and the greeting card with the miner on the dragon (my ass is a dragon)? Was Zodiac trying to hint that he had an interest in mining?

My POI used haunted mines as themes in some of his stories/artwork, replete with old miners much like the one depicted in the greeting card. That might be it, that might not. But, in any case, I think the Zodiac was trying to give us a hint.

Dont forget the mining place that was located on Lake Herman Rd...and they used TNT also.
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:53 am

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Or it could have been a sick clew from Arthur Leigh Allen - he was into minors. What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:53 am

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Deplorable at Best wrote:
So, am I the only person who thinks there might be a correlation between the pen magnet for mining gold and the greeting card with the miner on the dragon (my ass is a dragon)? Was Zodiac trying to hint that he had an interest in mining?

My POI used haunted mines as themes in some of his stories/artwork, replete with old miners much like the one depicted in the greeting card. That might be it, that might not. But, in any case, I think the Zodiac was trying to give us a hint.

Dont forget the mining place that was located on Lake Herman Rd...and they used TNT also.

As well as the base of Mt. Diablo....Mt. Zion.
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PostSubject: Snowman fake nose/glasses also in Zodiac movie 1971   Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:00 am


I found it interesting that the in the movie "The Zodiac Killer" a 1971 film directed by Tom Hanson, the apparent killer wear fake nose/glasses just like the Dec 1990 Possible Zodiac Christmas card snowman.

What it means, if anything, I have no idea? But maybe somthing to think about.






Here is a link to lots info on the card
http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/zodiac-christmas-card.htm



Here are links to info on the movie in question: The Zodiac Killer a 1971 film directed by Tom Hanson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtfZtCAxM8c Link to the youtube clip from the film were i took the image were a guy who found Zodiac's diquise fake nose/glasses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOOM-wA2rOY Link to the youtube clip from the film were Zodiac stabb a girl while he is wearing the fake nose/glasses


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zodiac_Killer_(film)

http://www.bleedingskull.com/dvd/zodiackiller.html

http://www.allrovi.com/movies/movie/v56167

http://www.die-ritze.com/zodiac.htm German website with stills from the movie and an apparent recomendation of the film by Paul Avery (IF authentic?)
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:07 am


According to the Paul Avery introduction the movie production started in June 1970.
Which means that the Dec 1990 Christmas card was sent on the 20 year anniversery of the movie (year wise from 1970 to 1990 is 20 years).

http://www.tcmuk.tv/movie_database_results.php?action=title&id=559485

The film opens with the following written prologue: "The motion picture you are about to see was conceived in June 1970. Its goal is not to win commercial awards but to create an 'awareness of a present danger.' Zodiac is based on known facts. If some of the scenes, dialogue, and letters seem strange and unreal, remember-they happened. My life was threatened on Oct. 28, 1970 by Zodiac. His victims have received no warnings. They were unsuspecting people like you-- Paul Avery, Reporter San Francisco Chronicle."
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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:07 pm


"Jerry" the killer/Zodiac in the movie, apparently have Bunnies as pets, and in the Dec 1990 card a bunny is sitting right in front of the Snowman w/ the false nose a glasses !

http://www.somethingweird.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=38046

Jerry (HAL REED), a shy, affable mailman who doesn't feel comfortable around people and keeps bunny rabbits as friends.

http://www.horrorspeak.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Number=111563&page=

Jerry is full of great moments. Upon returning home and finding one of his beloved bunnies dead he wails out a lament…”Why are evil people allowed to live, while innocent rabbits like Leo must die…For no reason at all”! A great scene played to camp perfection by Reed.

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:22 pm

I'm convinced this is a Unabomber missive. In addition to the comparisons made above to the Christmas letter that Ted wrote, I believe there are hidden clues that relate to Archimedes. First a comparison:

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Archimedes could be considered to have similar views as Kaczynski when it comes to the by-products of science, technology, and innovation in general, over which the scientist or innovator may have no control. Archimedes was in pursuit of "geometric truths" (Plutarch in Kaas, 2004), but needed to apply his knowledge to the practical application of creating "machines" in order for the King to continue providing his support – not unlike research laboratories today. The King recognized that Archimedes machines were created as "mere amusements in geometry" (Plutarch), but prods him into prove his speculative science, that is "too intricate for proof by words and diagrams" (Plutarch), ultimately creating machines of "mere corruption and annihilation" (Plutarch). Although Archimedes was a theorist like Kaczynski and oversaw the use of his "machines" to defend Syracuse, he did not create them for that purpose.

Now the clues. First, the fact this was sent from Eureka and second, the magnet (used in gold prospecting)...

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...Archimedes, the polymath who in one apocryphal story leaped from a bath shouting, "Eureka!" (I have it) after figuring out how to tell if a royal crown was made of solid gold by submerging it in water and measuring the water it displaced.

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:04 pm

Luke68 wrote:
I'm convinced this is a Unabomber missive. In addition to the comparisons made above to the Christmas letter that Ted wrote, I believe there are hidden clues that relate to Archimedes. First a comparison:

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Archimedes could be considered to have similar views as Kaczynski when it comes to the by-products of science, technology, and innovation in general, over which the scientist or innovator may have no control. Archimedes was in pursuit of "geometric truths" (Plutarch in Kaas, 2004), but needed to apply his knowledge to the practical application of creating "machines" in order for the King to continue providing his support – not unlike research laboratories today. The King recognized that Archimedes machines were created as "mere amusements in geometry" (Plutarch), but prods him into prove his speculative science, that is "too intricate for proof by words and diagrams" (Plutarch), ultimately creating machines of "mere corruption and annihilation" (Plutarch). Although Archimedes was a theorist like Kaczynski and oversaw the use of his "machines" to defend Syracuse, he did not create them for that purpose.

Now the clues. First, the fact this was sent from Eureka and second, the magnet (used in gold prospecting)...

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...Archimedes, the polymath who in one apocryphal story leaped from a bath shouting, "Eureka!" (I have it) after figuring out how to tell if a royal crown was made of solid gold by submerging it in water and measuring the water it displaced.



Luke - Interesting observation! Since it is suspect specific, I continue it here: http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t1243-ted-kaczynski-and-possible-zodiac-letter-of-christmas-1990

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PostSubject: Re: 1990 Eureka Card   Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:39 pm

Hadnt seen this article before,so sorry if its posted someplace. Thought it was interesting that a 'carpenter's pencil' was the little penlight looking thing along with the keys:
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/todaysnews/ci_5355609~Zodiac:_Did_killer_send_card_in_1990?nstrack=sid:253254|met:0000300|cat:0|order:19&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme

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