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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:21 am

The title of the weird film 'I am Curious' just sank into my head. Zodiac wrote 'I am mildy CEROUS'...obviously, he meant, CURIOUS.
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Trav you watched I AM CURIOUS...YELLOW. Did you alos watch the companion sequal/prequel 'I AM CURIOUS..BLUE'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Curious_(Blue)

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:37 am

Trav, I found another 3 stroke K from Manalli.


Scratch that, I found 2 more-

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:50 am

I found MORE writings by Manalli:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Short_Stories.html?id=NyKKNwAACAAJ

http://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/record.php?id=6247788&contributor=6854&archivename=San+Francisco+State+University+-+J.+Paul+Leonard+Library

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:06 am

When Mannali writes about a total or numbers, here's how he writes it:


Look familiar?


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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:29 am

Wonder if 'I Am Curious' was showing anywhere in the Bay Area at the time, and if so, where.
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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:36 am

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Wonder if 'I Am Curious' was showing anywhere in the Bay Area at the time, and if so, where.

In the wiki link, it states that the film was originally only showing in a few theaters across the county (in the north east)because of the sexual material being considered obscene. It got alot of word of mouth, and publicity for these reasons, which made for a promising profit, so eventually, it WAS shown nation wide.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:41 am

Nice.

The how he writes his numbers made me say OMG out loud.

3 stroke k's, there's another one BTW. It's a correction on one of the typed pages near the bottom (inserting word - back).

See how things just keep coming. It's weird. If this isn't Z then I think we at least might have stumbled on a template for him at least lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 am

morf13 wrote:
The title of the weird film 'I am Curious' just sank into my head. Zodiac wrote 'I am mildy CEROUS'...obviously, he meant, CURIOUS.
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Trav you watched I AM CURIOUS...YELLOW. Did you alos watch the companion sequal/prequel 'I AM CURIOUS..BLUE'?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Curious_(Blue)



Yeah I was thinking that as well about the curious/cerous. As for the other other 2 films in the trilogy - no not yet but I will. nice going on the books too.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:58 am

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Wonder if 'I Am Curious' was showing anywhere in the Bay Area at the time, and if so, where.

In the wiki link, it states that the film was originally only showing in a few theaters across the county (in the north east)because of the sexual material being considered obscene. It got alot of word of mouth, and publicity for these reasons, which made for a promising profit, so eventually, it WAS shown nation wide.

This film DID play in the bay area summer of 69. Here's an article from the June 69 Fremont Argus:


And this ad for the movie appeared in the 8/13/69 Oakland Tribune:

It was showing at the Fox in Oakland.

Hmmm, 8/13/69...why do I know that date?

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:28 am

The date of Sharon Tate’s funeral was 13/8/1969

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:50 am

I'll caveat this post first by saying it's a little bit of a stretch. Anyway, here goes...

April 20, 1970, My name is... letter:

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I am mildly cerous...

Cerous in this context obviously means 'curious'.

Cerous however is an actual word meaning:

Quote :
Of, relating to, or containing cerium, especially with valence 3.

Cerium III is actually white or colorless whilst cerium IV is YELLOW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerium

And also, cerium IV is a WEAK base. Weak being a synonym for MILD.

So in Zodiac's sentence we can actually obtain the full title of the film, I am Curious (Yellow).

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:53 am

Luke, thats pretty interesting. One of my fave suspects worked for humble Oil as a tech, so I have long known that CEROUS is a chemistry term relating to petroleum production. But in the fashion that you are presenting it, it seems plausible.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:16 am

Very interesting find by Trav on Finnegan's Wake word matches. Someone, Entropy I think, has a list of all of Z's misspellings. I'd be interested in a list of them and how many appear in FW.
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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:22 am

bentley wrote:
Very interesting find by Trav on Finnegan's Wake word matches. Someone, Entropy I think, has a list of all of Z's misspellings. I'd be interested in a list of them and how many appear in FW.

Okay Entropy.....break it out... Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:24 am

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I think it would be wise not to limit our investigation of Manalli to handwriting analysis alone. What else can we dig up on this guy to tie him to the Zodiac murders?

I agree completely. Let's start with this stuff and see if there is any truth to these statements by Manalli:



Every time I re-read Manalli's stuff, something jumps out. Like this-

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:34 am

Yeah that's interesting. I have long followed the belief that Manelli was 6'3" or thereabouts, though I don't know where that comes from. I don't think Fouke, nor Hartnell, would have goofed up that bad, and it's much harder to appear shorter than taller. Also likely if that was his height, his shoe size was larger than 10.5.
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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:36 am

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Yeah that's interesting. I have long followed the belief that Manelli was 6'3" or thereabouts, though I don't know where that comes from. I don't think Fouke, nor Hartnell, would have goofed up that bad, and it's much harder to appear shorter than taller. Also likely if that was his height, his shoe size was larger than 10.5.

Seagull found his height, etc in a military form someplace. It was from the 50's when he was in the service briefly. Graysmith described Manalli as "heavyset" when he was a teacher at Santa Rosa.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:39 am

bounce WOW!!! IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE HIM. AND ALL THAT JAZZ. MAY WE SEE MORE OF THAT LEttER, MORF13? IS THERE MORE FROM THIS PERSON?
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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:05 pm

I got the information about Manalli's height and weight from his DD214, military discharge that is on file at the Sonoma County Recorders office. This is a document that can be viewed but not copied so I took notes. His height is given as 6'3" his weight 175 lbs. Most likely those measurements were taken when he entered the military in 1958 so they are very outdated. The height of course would be the same but the weight is probably off. Shoe size was not listed.

A DD214 is filed with a county recorders office when a veteran gets a home loan on the GI Bill.

I question that Arthur Allen went to Santa Rosa Junior College. I have seen nothing to confirm that information. Allen was a credentialed teacher who had completed a four year college and then some to receive his degree. Why would he go to a junior college which offers lower classmen type classes? Allen had already taken those classes including any english classes which is what Manalli taught, more specifically writing classes. Any classes offered at a junior college would not qualify a teacher to advance their teaching degree, they would need to go to a four year college for that.

I could see Allen possibly going to a junior college if he wanted to take some vocational type classes or maybe classes dealing with the arts, photography, drawing, ceramics etc. but in that case where would he have the occasion to hook up with Manalli? From what I have read of Manalli's letters he wasn't overly enthusiastic about his job. He did what was required of him but no more. He taught his subjects and then went home to work on his own writing.

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PostSubject: weight   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:15 pm

175 lb is on the "light side" for someone that is 6' 3". Not saying the records are wrong, but he would have been quite thin.

-tbz

Edit: I take that back... looks like he would have been right in the "healthy range" according to statistics. Still, I'm 5' 10" and always looked very thin when I was 175 lb. I think I may need to hit the gym again.


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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:18 pm

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175 lb is on the "light side" for someone that is 6' 3". Not saying the records are wrong, but he would have been quite thin.

-tbz

He had 10 years to put on weight. I know I have gained alot of weight over the last 10 years No Graysmith described Manalli as 'heavyset'. Not sure where he got that info from.

For the hell of it, I am going to send out a military records req for Manalli.

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:21 pm

Seagull, I assume Manalli was in the Army?

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:26 pm

I'll PM you his service number, Morf.

Manalli was born March 7, 1935, in 1958 he was just 23 years old. He had plenty of time to put on more weight and wouldn't doubt that did.
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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:33 pm

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I'll PM you his service number, Morf.

Manalli was born March 7, 1935, in 1958 he was just 23 years old. He had plenty of time to put on more weight and wouldn't doubt that did.

Great I have the FOIA request and envelope ready to go, just need the service#

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PostSubject: Re: Fred Manalli   Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:11 pm

Ugh, I hate rain.

Manalli mentions the army in his letters but you'd easily miss it. He talking about not being able to stick at anything too long because he becomes too saturated by it and ends by saying - that includes the Army.

Maybe he got discharged for shuffling when he walked and shooting at people - that would be encouraging.

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