1990 Eureka Card

I sent the 1990 card to my contacts in LE, but beyond that, I don't know if the FBI or SFPD is interested in this card, as nothing clearly identifies it as Zodiac, just hints and clues. If they would try to get DNA off of it, I don't know.

Can anyone say how they deterrmined the keys belonged to "Sam". And can anyone say anything more about him?

As it would relate to the stamp on the Eureka card and any possible connection it could have to the stamp on the envelope containing the letter that Ted K had sent to Irene Preston (within several days of each other), wouldn't it be interesting to see if the stamps were possibly from the same batch.... I wonder if Ms. Preston could be contacted to see if she would be willing to have the stamp compared to the stamp on the Eureka card...

http://unazod.com/eureka.html[url][/url]

....interesting you say that Rand, because, the other day, I posted this on a different thread...

http://gasdisc.oakapplepress.com/mikmarx.htm

OMG, AK!!

You can here Marx doing KoKo's "Little List" starting at 8:20 here...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7969334535295053456#

AK Wilks wrote:

How can you be sure they were his keys?

Can you tell us anything more about Sam? What he looked like? What ge did for a living? Was he involved in political causes?

I trusted Tom V and his connections ( he has some very good connections)The Keys were traced back to a po box in Eureka ,and the person Sam ,was the one who had that box at that time in 1990.

He was a insurance salesman who traveled all over Calif. He looked tall in the picture we got of him about 6 ft tall. He had some money and owned a home in S.F. His family had lived in S.F.
To me he didn't look like the Z composite.

He also owned property near Modesto at the right time for the K.Johns ride. A lot of things did add up for him being a good suspect. He had moods at times when he would want to be alone. A lot of the info we got, was from a family member.

Dahlia and I went up to Eureka and found writing samples of his, they looked pretty good. We also went to his home and took pictures, his garage door was open. To me The Z would never leave anything open.
More like L. Kane who has everything closed off from the world, you can not see into his place at all !
It is amazing how many people we can build a case around on circumstantial evidence alone .

Is it possible Sam lost his PO Box keys, or that someone else had the same keys before him? I mean, how do we know that picture wasn't taken in 1986?

To your knowledge, did Sam have any interest in radical politics or politics of any kind?

Any criminal record?

It's 2010 so that stamp needs to be tested for DNA and that may end all the guessing.

...any chance the "gadget" on the ring with the keys is not a magnet, but a vintage refillable marker/felt tip such as ones Z may have had or used, e.g:

Looks to me like one of little keychain penlight/flashlight thingies. The bulb is on the right; press the button on the left to light it.

....sigh.....you're right, I know, or it's one of those "magnet thingies", but I was just trying to tie it together...LOL

OTOH, if, say 15 years from now, Z is somehow identified, and it turns out this letter is genuine and this is a little vintage felt tip, the you simply owe me $10 million....not to worry... LMAO

Works for me Zabs! Let's make it an even 11 mil! heh heh heh

Mine is a magnet:

[quote="tahoe27"]Mine is a magnet:


This, to me, looks like an almost perfect match to the xerox photo... Would love to know what the wording was on it... Someone had blown it up a good bit and I thought I had remembered it appeared to also have a phone number on it... Can't remember where I'd seen it, though.

There is a big thread at Tom's site about it.

It is a (707) area code.

States something like "BUX"....I'll go back and look.

I'd call this a fake, except there's nothing about it that really shows that it was intended to be a Zodiac missive in the first place. The only thing it has going for it is the style of card selected.

-The address handwriting doesn't really match.
-It was traced over, which Zodiac never did.
-It was written in pencil, another thing Zodiac didn't do.
-The address was written out in full.
-There's nothing to indicate the keys have anything to do with Zodiac.

The "Sam" thing is a moot point. His DNA didn't match. Tom gave up on him years ago now.

When discussing the stamps, you have to remember that, unlike today, where you could get any number of different styles of stamps for standard postage, that wasn't the case then. If you notice, the Ted K. letter in the picture on the first page was also sent out in December of 1990. It was likely the most produced stamp at the time.

I agree with you, Mr. B....I was just having a little fun!

MrBungle wrote:

-It was traced over, which Zodiac never did.

Not exactly true. Look at the 10/27/70 Halloween card envelope.

AweShucks wrote:

MrBungle wrote:

-It was traced over, which Zodiac never did.

Not exactly true. Look at the 10/27/70 Halloween card envelope.

This is actually interesting to me because I have often thought the Halloween card might NOT be from Zodiac. The writing on that envelope looks nothing like Zodiac's imo. I never found a "y" written like that by Z--even the other letters on the envelope--as well as the circle-cross. And why now write 5th & Mission?

Not of popular opinion, I know.

I think the general take overall on this letter is that it is a fake. Thats fine with me as I have no personal interest either way as to it being genuine or not. I am 50/50 on it, and dont know if I have enough info to decide one way or another. But I am curious, if the overall opinion on this letter is FAKE...why did the FBI experts not just rule it a fake?


I will start a poll, and try and see what the overall numbers look like.

tahoe27 wrote:

AweShucks wrote:

MrBungle wrote:

-It was traced over, which Zodiac never did.

Not exactly true. Look at the 10/27/70 Halloween card envelope.

This is actually interesting to me because I have often thought the Halloween card might NOT be from Zodiac. The writing on that envelope looks nothing like Zodiac's imo. I never found a "y" written like that by Z--even the other letters on the envelope--as well as the circle-cross. And why now write 5th & Mission?

Not of popular opinion, I know.

AweShucks, you certainly have a point here...it's been a while since I'd looked at the envelope for the Halloween card, and it would seem to have some doubling. However...

Tahoe, you're actually starting to win me over with your opinion. I've at the very least gone from feeling the card was definitely from Zodiac to not being so sure. There are a few glaring inconsistencies with that card.

And just to restate my Eureka opinion...I don't think it's a fake, I think it has absolutely nothing to do with Zodiac at all.

IMHO the Eureka card is authentic.
No idea what the photocopy would signify though.

MrBungle wrote:

And just to restate my Eureka opinion...I don't think it's a fake, I think it has absolutely nothing to do with Zodiac at all.

It is very likely a Unabomber correspondence Ted can be confirmed in the area that year.

If Zodiac is found to be Ted, he could have been sending it to "kill two birds with one stone." No pun intended; however, he could have been throwing out the clues to both Unabomber and Zodiac activities.

To me, more than likely the Secret Pal Card of 1990 reflects from the Zodiac (based on the Z Secret Pal card) more than any correspondences from the Unabomber.