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PostSubject: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:21 pm

This is the letter postmarked 12/7/69 Fairfield, CA:



A close up on the code portion:



And the Harden Key:



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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:23 pm

I worked on this code and reached a tentative proposed possible solution a year ago.

I will repost it here for anyone who is interested.

I welcome criticism, questions, suggestions.

Has anyone ever tried to decipher this code? It seems to be a real Z letter, though the writing is a bit varied in spots. And we have no good copy, so some of these could be wrong, because it is hard to see many of the symbols. Just applying very basic Harden 408 and Graysmith/Kite 340 translations, some code solving, and "?" means I don't know could be any letter maybe "I", "Y" or "O", I get :



T E W C T S E N H N T T
I O K R E L T
E E D ? E
E I E K E Y
I Y N N L S T E

Last three of 3rd line could be "DIE".

Last three of 4th line is "KEY"

5th line could anagram to "LISTEN". Or "LIST" and "YEN".

1st line, 6th letter going down is "SKI". That is the last part of the last name of two well known Polish - American Zodiac suspects.

First three lines you can get "THEODORE". Or "DICK".

Of course it could be a fake letter, or a real Z letter but a fake or gibberish code.
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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:32 pm

I reached a possible solution on the possible Zodiac cipher of 12/7/69. This is from the ZK Truth board.

http://zodiackillertruth.com/images/fbi/cs4fbi.pdf

Relevant docs about 1/5 of the way down. They are generally organized by date. Generally from page 30 to 70. Cipher info on page 53 - 63.

FBI did try to decipher the 12/7/69 cipher, in conjunction with the 340. They note the 12/7/69 may be too short to translate. They did try using the Harden translation on both the 340 and the 12/7/69, with limited results. They note there are many new symbols - about 20% - that do not appear in Harden. They mention it may have word anagrams.

They list these possible translations:

+ = L, T, S, R, O and E
9 or P (backwards) = O
Dot in Triangle = K, F (A, S switch in Harden).
B = L

Other tidbits include request by police to check fingerprints in FBI ID Bureau of 18 persons, listed as "veterans" "white male Americans" suggestion of "mental disorders" and named as "suspects". As none are mentioned to have arrest records, perhaps they assumed FBI could check their military record for prints, as all are listed as "veterans". It is not clear if all had prints on record, but no matches are noted. Other persons were checked as they were noted as "sex deviates", "member of Communist Party", "interested in astrology" and/or a "loner." All names are blacked out.

Deer Lodge, Montana was briefly discussed in regards to Zodiac having named it on 9/27/69. A former inmate from the prison there is mentioned. Interestingly, that summer of 1969 TJK had traveled through Montana looking for land to buy with his brother, and he is quoted mentioning how beautiful he thought Montana was. Deer Lodge is about one hour away from where TJK bought his cabin in 1971.



First possible solution:

T E W C T S E N H N T T
I O K R E L T E E D O E
E I E K E Y I Y N N L S T E

Alternate translation:

H E W C T S E N H O A A

I O K R E L T R R D ? P

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R


Using basic "ETA" frequency chart and general code solving principles, my first translation has too many "T" 's and "E" 's and not a single "A" or "P" and only one "R". "A" is the third most used letter in the English language, and it would be very difficult to form any kind of coherent English paragraph without, so I was no doubt wrong to first rely so strictly on Harden 408 and general 340 solves.

So I now propose solving the "LL" as "AA" instead of "TT". As it seems fairly clear we have an anagram here, and the FBI treated it as a probable anagram, I will not be overly wed to the fact that LL and TT are frequent doubles and AA is not. If it is a real code, must have some "A" 's to form words, and it would be a nice fake for Z to trick us into thinking it is a non-anagram and thus sticking with LL=TT, as I first did. We still have too many "E" 's. The FBI mentions multiple possible translations for "+", including "R". So lets go with that, because we have only one "R" and likely need more to form words. We also lack a single letter "P", so I will solve the backwards "9" or backwards "P" (can't tell from poor copy) as a "P".


Last line could anagram as:

STINE KEY IN PRYLN


Entire translated code can anagram as:

STINE KEY WALLET IN CHERRY PRESIDO PARK

Left over are: T ? ? N O


Can anyone double check my work and my anagrams? Are they correct?

This above sentence closely matches a part of my multi step 340 solution, which gives an even more specific location.

The above sentence is unlikely to be mere coincidence. It seems intentional, and could be the work of a very smart hoaxer, or it is a real message from Zodiac.

Going against it being a hoax is the fact that it matches my multi step solution to the 340, except the 340 gives a more specific location.

I am kind of amazed at this. I thought it 50/50 at best that this was a real Z cipher. I need to look this over and make a detailed comparison with my 340 solution, and recheck all this work. I don't quite know what to make of this. I really did not expect to get any sort of clear message.

What do other people think of this? Could it be a coincidence that those words come up? Is it a hoax cipher? Or is it real?

I think about 90- 95% of the symbol translations are either from Harden solved, 340 solves from ZK archive board and FBI report, which I just found a few hours ago.

Can anyone please check my work? Other than the backwards 9 or P solved as a "P", I think everything else pre-exists from Harden, 340 solves, the FBI report or general "ETA" frequency principles, like the "AA". I am not making a claim this is for sure a real Z code, but I can tell you I forced nothing, all my work and steps are here and can be checked.


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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:44 pm

AK...

I've always thought the third symbol in the cipher was an "R", similar to the 340. When comparing to the Harden code, that would represent a "G" rather than a "W". Haven't checked the rest yet.

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:59 pm

This is the breakdown on my proposed solution to the possible Zodiac cipher of 12/7/69. There are 38 symbols:

25 come from Harden solved 408 (HARDEN) = 66%
5 come from me using frequency analysis (AK) 13%
4 come from Graysmith-ZK Archive 340 (ZKA) 11%
3 come from 12/69 FBI Report-Z ciphers (FBI) 8%
1 is unsolved (UNSOLVED) 2%

The cipher copy is poor and some symbols are hard to make out. For the worst I put a (?). One symbol remains unsolved and that is noted with a "?". Here is the translation breakdown in detail:

H = H (ZKA)
E = E (HARDEN)
A = W (HARDEN)
> = C (ZKA)
< = T (ZKA)
Square w/ dot = S (HARDEN)
Circle (?) w/ dot (?) = E (HARDEN)
Circle w/ vertical line = N (HARDEN)
Circle w/ horizontal line = H (HARDEN)
O = O (ZKA)
L = A (AK)
L = A (AK)


Triangle = I (HARDEN)
T = O (HARDEN)
/ = K (HARDEN)
Upside down T = R (HARDEN)
W = E (HARDEN)
B = L (HARDEN)
I = T (HARDEN)


+ = R (FBI)
+ = R (FBI)
Cross over circle = D (HARDEN)
Square (?) w/ vertical line = ? (UNSOLVED)
Backwards P = P (AK)


Backwards P = P (AK)
U = I (HARDEN)
Z = E (HARDEN)
/ = K (HARDEN)
Circle w/ dot = E (HARDEN)
Square = Y (HARDEN)


Triangle = I (HARDEN)
Square (?) = Y (HARDEN)
O = N (HARDEN)
^ = N (HARDEN)
Short vertical line (?) = L (AK)
K = S (HARDEN)
I = T (HARDEN)
+ = R (FBI)

So full translation is:

H E W C T S E N H O A A

I O K R E L T R R D ? P

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R


My proposed anagram solution is:

STINE KEY WALLET IN

CHERRY PRESIDO PARK


Left over are: H N O T ? Which could be: N O R T H


The message here is an almost exact match to part of my multi stage solution to the 340, except that the 340 solution goes further by giving a more specific location.

Does anyone want to check my work? Can anyone come up with a better anagram?


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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:06 pm

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AK...

I've always thought the third symbol in the cipher was an "R", similar to the 340. When comparing to the Harden code, that would represent a "G" rather than a "W". Haven't checked the rest yet.

-tbz

Thanks. I guess I thought that was an "A". It doesn't look much like an "R" to me, but that would give us "HER" which is how the 340 starts, so that may have been the intenion, and you may have a point.

It looks like he wrote this thing on a bus going over a bumpy road! Mad

If he meant "R=G" then that screws up my little proposed solution here. Neutral

If he meant "R=R", then that actually gives me the "R" I need for "NORTH" and the "?=W", so that it is still viable. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:11 pm

thebigZ wrote:
AK...

I've always thought the third symbol in the cipher was an "R", similar to the 340. When comparing to the Harden code, that would represent a "G" rather than a "W". Haven't checked the rest yet.

-tbz

You may be right.

I have the first two symbols, H & E, translated as an H & E, so what you propose actually gives me a potential "R" to put into the N O ? T H, making NORTH, with the original ? now a W.
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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:40 pm

My proposed code solution with suggestion from thebigZ implemented, with "R=R", just as I had "HE=HE", and the "?=W":

H E R C T S E N H O A A

I O K R E L T R R D W P

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R


My proposed anagram solution is still:

STINE KEY WALLET IN

CHERRY PRESIDO PARK NORTH


I find it interesting that such a clear message can be formed, which makes me think this proposed solution could be correct. It also matches langauge in my 340 proposed solution.

But looking it over, the anagram use is extensive. The FBI did say this code had probable anagram use, but my solution has extreme anagrams, widely scattered words coming together, with no mathematical or langauge pattern I can detect. That tells me that this proposed solution could be all wrong, or at least partially wrong.

I would bet on the STINE KEY IN being right, however, as KEY involves no anagram use and the STINE and IN anagrams are mild and all on the same line.

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R


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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:33 am

Glurk mentioned on zkf that he tried to solve this code but couldn't.

I don't know if this proposed solution of mine is correct, but I do think it at least provides an interesting starting point.

What do others think?

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:21 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
What do others think?

AK,
I tried to solve this one as well, but found nothing of value. (well, at least not complete sentences)
I'll take another look at it.

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:16 pm

Auth, yeah take another look at it.

Just aplying what I did above, mainly using Harden Key and some other sources, I came up with:

H E R C T S E N H O A A

I O K R E L T R R D W P

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R

PIE KEY? "3.14" Pi? Or "PIE" as in pumpkin? KEY to the code? Or KEY from a cab? Or just random words, not intended?

HERC - Same four letters start the Graysmith/Kite/1979 FBI file decode. As a youth, TK once signed a letter as HERCULES. HERCULES beat his enemies to death with a wood club.

That last line in particular, you can get STINE KEY IN with very mild anagrams.
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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:17 pm

Now I remember why this got set aside...
There was a debate about which symbols were which, so I decided to wait for a clearer copy...
Anybody have a better copy?

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:20 pm

AuthUser wrote:
Now I remember why this got set aside...
There was a debate about which symbols were which, so I decided to wait for a clearer copy...
Anybody have a better copy?

Auth

This is the best I have seen:



Only one or two are a little fuzzy. You can make out almost all of them pretty clear.

I will request a copy of this one too, but right now, as far as I know, this is the clearest copy we have.


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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:59 pm

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AuthUser wrote:
Now I remember why this got set aside...
There was a debate about which symbols were which, so I decided to wait for a clearer copy...
Anybody have a better copy?

Auth

This is the best I have seen:



Only one or two or a little fuzzy. You can make out almost all of them pretty clear.

I will request a copy of this one too, but right now, as far as I know, this is the clearest copy we have.

Sweet. Thanks, I look forward to it...

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:49 pm

These are from the FBI Zodiac file, the FBI Crypto Unit attempt to decode the Zodiac 340 Code and the Zodiac 12/7/69 Fairfield Code.

You can see that they DID think anagram use was possible if not probable in the 340 and Fairfield and did try various anagram approaches.

Also, the "+" as "R" that I use in my proposed Fairfield Code decrypt, I got from this FBI report.




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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:24 am

What are the specifics known about this particular letter? Who was it sent to? When did police/FBI become aware of it and what was the "official" evaluation of it regarding it being a real Zodiac letter or a hoax?

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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:18 pm

Richard wrote:
What are the specifics known about this particular letter? Who was it sent to? When did police/FBI become aware of it and what was the "official" evaluation of it regarding it being a real Zodiac letter or a hoax?


Not a lot is known about this letter. What little we know is stated here:

http://www.zodiackillertruth.com/killacop.htm

The FBI expert noted the writing contained some "distortion" and may not have been written as freely as some of the others, but concluded it "may" have been done by the same hand as the other Zodiac letters.

It also seems very likely that whoever sent this letter (real Zodiac or hoaxer) also sent the "Bleeding Knife of the Zodiac" letter which also contains the line "This state is in trouble".

See http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t456-bleeding-knife-of-zodiac-letter

And http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t455-this-state-is-in-trouble-letter
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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:46 pm

ICKRYPTNEARNORTHSTEENPILLERISHADOWKEY

I already have Kings Tomb Stone from From "Stein(Steen) pillar":
Pal(paul) =(tomb,crypt))
Lir =( Mythical King)
Stein= (stone)Stone

Steens Pillar is North of Mt. Diablo and HALF of the Compass North degrees. Going roughly half of 18 degres, or the Golden number (9)degrees. Zodiac loved pairing things.

I thus have been tying the crptocrams maps and and etc to a possible Krypt location in Oregon near Steins pillar and this really fits well.
Note:Steins Pillar is actually the wrong spelling but is now officialy the new spelling of STEENS PILLAR.
14 becomes 4 teens, thus if the key is 4 can be 5 or 6(something I was onto but now see confirmed in a confetti letter I see here at this site) for the SHADOW key of the Halloween card(, 4-teens would also point to steens 5-teens. 14 5 teens 16's (One For Steens 16's).
I thus could read this solution of yours as REAL and Correct: Remeber, Zodiac does everything in 2's and 3's.
I think My solution which I get from your solution is ALSO correct
Steen Pillar Krypt I See near North i(S) hadow key. Or "Mythical King Tomb STone Is Shadow Key I See Near North ". Steins is currently a hot spot I am researching which is connected to my POI is a very weird way and falls on the compass rose of the Zodiac.
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PostSubject: Re: 12/7/69 Fairfield "I just need help...I will kill again...+ he will be a cop" And CODE And Proposed Code Solution   Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:25 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
Auth, yeah take another look at it.

Just aplying what I did above, mainly using Harden Key and some other sources, I came up with:

H E R C T S E N H O A A

I O K R E L T R R D W P

P I E K E Y I Y N N L S T R

PIE KEY? "3.14" Pi? Or "PIE" as in pumpkin? KEY to the code? Or KEY from a cab? Or just random words, not intended?

HERC - Same four letters start the Graysmith/Kite/1979 FBI file decode. As a youth, TK once signed a letter as HERCULES. HERCULES beat his enemies to death with a wood club.

That last line in particular, you can get STINE KEY IN with very mild anagrams.

I think that the Halloween card is a (PAL144teens )code meaning "one for paul stine". If you have noticed, there are 3 eyes,1 eye,4 eyes with 1 eye in the middle when looking top to bottom of the halloween card cover. Left to right it is 1413. Here is PI and PI reversed.
To some other solutions of these anograms. and PIEKEYIYNNLSTR especially is a great interpretation that fits my POI and his hook at steins pillar . (what I come up with) KEYINSTEINPYLR or Stinekeyinpylr
On Halloween card, 14 4teens can become 15 or 5teens or steens. Pal is (Paul sound and means crypt as I mentioned above, or tomb. Lyr(lir) is Mythical king. "Kings Tomb Stone Key".
A Chosen Heart Krow Predictr and Key in STein Pylr are what I get from these three lines of yours above and all fit whith: A compass rose, As the crow flies and a Stone Spire SUn Dial indicator. Seems to me as I am finding more and more of this, there seems to be a ANTON SEAL ROADMAP using STEINS PILLAR as a NORTH INDICATOR and referencing a TOMBSTONE KEY. This makes me wonder about whats really out in the woods up there. Currently , if I can find that Oregon medicine wheel in SE oregon(where it is located on the google map), I may be able to understand some of the radian readings I get when using the compass rose radian indication tool that I built to monitor movements in his building of symetrical lines to express his locations, alphabetical meanings, rearanged word meanings and the such as names,etc that he feels are relevant to reveal in this puzzle. Old Diablo, what a sneaky devil pointing us to the trap zone thinking we would never solve his puzzles..
Pal Stein = Tomb STone.
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