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PostSubject: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:10 pm

Finally, here it is, a suspected letter from Zodiac..."THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE"


The FBI did not give me any additional info about this letter, no facts, no dates, nothing.


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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:21 pm

WOW!

Great job. You got it before me.

But unless you object, I will make this available to other sites, as I told the FBI I would.

DID YOU GET THE SECOND PAGE "BLEEDING KNIFE OF THE ZODIAC"??????
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:23 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
WOW!

Great job. You got it before me.

But unless you object, I will make this available to other sites, as I told the FBI I would.

DID YOU GET THE SECOND PAGE "BLEEDING KNIFE OF THE ZODIAC"??????

I dont object, shoot it out to the other forums, so everyone has the details. They can see what a little amateur site like this one is capable of. Very Happy I also just posted the BLEEDING KNIFE letter in a separate thread.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:35 pm

Is this a "copycat" letter?
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:37 pm

Zabagliona wrote:
Is this a "copycat" letter?

No idea. In the FBI files, this letter was mentioned as a "possible" Zodiac letter. I dont remember off hand what the FBI file listed as to an opinion of the letter.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:39 pm

Morf and I made FOIA requests to the FBI to get the possible Zodiac letter postmarked 12/16/69 Fairfield, CA, said to have a Page One with the words "This State Is In Trouble" and a Page Two with the words "Bleeding Knife Of The Zodiac" and a drawing of a knife.

MORF GOT IT!!!

We are sending it to all sites, as we told the FBI we would.

We want ALL Zodiac researchers to see these letters, to help determine if they are real or fake, and what they may mean.


Opinions, comments, ideas?

Handwriting appears to match, moderately to weakly. As FBI analyst said of these Zodiac Fairfield letters, they appear to contain "distortion" and not to have been written as "freely" as other letters. But FBI analyst also said they contain characteristics matching confirmed Zodiac letters showing they "may" have been written by same individual.

There appears to be a very brief CODE on this as well.

Interesting that he threatens to kill police, in light of Officer Radetich murder in June 1970.

Also the threats against other cities, including SACRAMENTO. Interesting in light of 1970 murders of Sacramento residents Judith Hakari and Nancy Bennallack, also future Sacramento crimes of EAR/ONS.

Definitely a threat against the GOVERMENT here, interesting for suspects like Kaczynski, Gaikowski, Davis/Manson and Troy Houghton, who all had radical anti - government views, be they left, right or anarchist.

"Bleeding Knife" and drawing appears to be Jack the Ripper reference.


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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:42 pm

I don't think the writing is a match; The writing is "wider" and not formulated the same way...




Even this letter, whcih I think is the closest to the one above, is no match, I think...




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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:45 pm

Wonder what "go for the government life" means? Moving due to a govt job? Going on welfare? Joining the service? Sounds a bit like an ADIOS to the police.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:46 pm

Zabagliona wrote:
I don't think the writing is a match;

I vote, we all take a deep breath an ponder everything Morf is going to post for us to read.
Totally look at everything, and maybe all hold our opinons until we can give a good detailed
reason why it may for may not be a true Z finding. I honestly feel alot of this information needs
more then just a quick yes or no. My thoughts......
None of us have to be right or wrong, just try our best to figure it all out.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:49 pm

"go for the Government life" = be in the military; and/or be a public sector employee

(could be other things too, but the above would be the most common)

Zamantha; look at what I have posted.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:50 pm

Zamantha wrote:
Zabagliona wrote:
I don't think the writing is a match;

I vote, we all take a deep breath an ponder everything Morf is going to post for us to read.
Totally look at everything, and maybe all hold our opinons until we can give a good detailed
reason why it may for may not be a true Z finding. I honestly feel alot of this information needs
more then just a quick yes or no. My thoughts......
None of us have to be right or wrong, just try our best to figure it all out.

Good idea Zam, but there were only two total pages sent to me by the FBI. This and the drawing of the knife, which I made into its own thread. So unless they will be sending more stuff, that's it. But we should all take some time, and get some opinions.

It sounds to me like the writer of this letter is saying FAREWELL to the cops, and going with some kind of Govt life.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:51 pm

Any of the "usual suspects" move to Sacramento?
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:52 pm

Zabagliona wrote:
"go for the Government life" = be in the military; and/or be a public sector employee

(could be other things too, but the above would be the most common)

Zamantha; look at what I have posted.

Hi Zag, my post was posted after your first post :-)
Your second post is great! Kudos, that's what I meant, not trying to be negative but
wanting everyone to really look at things and compare, thanks for doing that!
Zam* Like a Star @ heaven

Ok: off topic.... back to the letter.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:56 pm

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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:14 pm

"go for the government life"

I read that to mean TRY TO TAKE THE LIVES OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES - Cops, military, politicians, bureacrats.

He says "this STATE is in trouble." Then he threatens COPS in FAIRFIELD.

I think he is threatening "GOVERNMENT LIFE" - the lifes of government workers.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:18 pm

morf13 wrote:
Any of the "usual suspects" move to Sacramento?

I think Tarrance lived around Sacramento?

Also, Ted Kaczynski after 1969 spent more time around Sacramento then any other CA city. He stayed at the Royal Hotel in Sacramento and local bookstore employees saw him so much they nick named him Einstein. Two of the three confirmed Unabomber deaths were Sacramento residents, Hugh Scrutton (computers) and Gil Murray (Forestry).

Sacramento is the STATE Capital of California.

Also, very important, just four months after this letter is sent Judith Hakari, nurse, is killed in Sacramento, and later in October 1970 another Sacramento resident, Nancy Bennallack, is murdered, a day before Zodiac sent his "14" Halloween card.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:39 pm

morf13 wrote:
Finally, here it is, a suspected letter from Zodiac..."THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE"


The FBI did not give me any additional info about this letter, no facts, no dates, nothing.

The first two "s" 's are lightning bolt, Norse - Nazi SS style. This was also done on the May 1978 letter that threatened "Chief Piggy" Gates and made the Manson family reference.

I also note that "3, 6, 9" appear here, one on top the other!
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:43 pm

"go for the government life"

I read that to mean TRY TO TAKE THE LIVES OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES - Cops, military, politicians, bureacrats.

He says "this STATE is in trouble." Then he threatens COPS in FAIRFIELD.

I think he is threatening "GOVERNMENT LIFE" - the lifes of government workers.
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:45 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
morf13 wrote:
Finally, here it is, a suspected letter from Zodiac..."THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE"


The FBI did not give me any additional info about this letter, no facts, no dates, nothing.

The first two "s" 's are lightning bolt, Norse - Nazi SS style. This was also done on the May 1978 letter that threatened "Chief Piggy" Gates and made the Manson family reference.

I also note that "3, 6, 9" appear here, one on top the other!

Good points!
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:56 pm

Similar writing to another Fairfield letter, one that also threatens police "+ he will be a cop".

Also has similar code symbols.





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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:19 pm

The code part here, six symbols than a large Zodiac symbol.

Just using the Harden Key from the first solved Zodiac code, those six symbols translate as:

S I N H N D then a large Zodiac symbol.

Meaning "Signed Zodiac"?

Or is each Zodiac symbol a "D"?

Then it would be:

S I N H N D D D D D

Actually in the Harden Key, a square with a dot inside is an "S", a square without a dot is a "Y", meaning it could be:

Y I N H N D D D D D




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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:33 pm

That will give you and Auth, and some of you cipher guys something to keep you busy!
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:42 pm

morf13 wrote:
That will give you and Auth, and some of you cipher guys something to keep you busy!

This cipher will be almost impossible to prove because of the length. The 4 Zodiac signs look like they are
"orbiting" the center Zodiac symbol, so that leaves 5 different characters. Any 5 letters could be forced
into the word. Also, Zodiac knew this, so the person that wrote it either knew it couldn't be solved or
didn't want it to be solved. Just my opinion...

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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:46 pm

Auth -

With such few symbols, my thought is that it cannot be a new code key, so would likely be the same code key as the solved code, the Harden Key. Assuming Z made a mistake or variation with the dot in the square:

Just using the Harden Key from the first solved Zodiac code, those six symbols translate as:

S I N H N D then a large Zodiac symbol.

"Signed, Zodiac"?

Or SIN - HND ?
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PostSubject: Re: "THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE" LETTER   Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:52 pm

Auth -

Feel free to post these at zodiac killer facts, just give credit to our site.

Anyone who is a member at ZKF, or ZK, or other sites, feel free to post these, we want all Z researchers to look at these and get the most minds on them. Just note where they came from, please.

Keeping my word, as Morf and I want all Z researchers to look at this, I have so far sent copies of the 12/16/69 letter to:

Mike Butterfield ZKF
Doug Oswell Unazod (also I posted it there)
Ricardo MK Zodiac
Chris Y ZKTruth
Roland Zodiologists
Howard Davis Zodiac/Manson Connection
Tom Voigt ZK


Any other Zodiac sites I am missing, or true crime sites that might be interested?

We want maximum exposure for these letters, to try to help determine if they are real or fake, and if real, what do they mean? What clues may they have? So we want all interested to have them, regardless of the petty and stupid rivalries and ego battles.
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