Celebrity Cipher

kirkham wrote:

the bottom right line reads from right to left play ovid...Ovid.read somewhere was a roman poet/ satirist

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/people/a/ovid.htm

EDIT: Also to add that if the last two lines are a name they contain 13 letters.

traveller1st wrote:

kirkham wrote:

the bottom right line reads from right to left play ovid...Ovid.read somewhere was a roman poet/ satirist

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/people/a/ovid.htm

EDIT: Also to add that if the last two lines are a name they contain 13 letters.

Never noticed that!

In my opinion, the top left of the postcard is no doubt a return name & address(ending in ST for street), and just below it, we see the address of the Vallejo Times herald. Then, we see the author's name signed at the bottom right of the postcard again. (it ends in TROUT) ...which ends "MY NAME IS"..like the cipher from Zodiac. Can we crack this?

Example: "MY NAMES IS TROUT(looks like the word TROUT anyhow) _______" 5 letters in his first name, and 8 in his 2nd name.

IMO, he lives on a Street because it ends in ST as opposed to LANE or DRIVE, etc. Also the town could be VALLEJO, OAKLAND,or any other 7 letter town around there.



Here is what I have:

the 'M' symbol stand for the letter M
the backwards 'D' symbol stands for letter Y
Crosshair Symbol stands for letter N
The Triangle symbol stands for letter A
The 9 symbol stands for letter E
The 'I' symbol stands for letter I
Backwards Q symbol stands for letter S
the 'B' symbol stands for letter C

Also, I can not see the image well, is there two types of crosshair symbols? One that is is filled in and one that is not, or is that just my eyes?

To me, the last name of this person is 8 letters long, starts with a Y and ends with a E. Any ideas?

Just found a guy that lived in Riverside in 1966, and then later lived in the SF bay area whose name fits into the cipher....last name is 8 letters,starts with a Y ends in an E.

But his first name does not seem to match the first name of the cipher.hmmm

If anybody wants the name and would like to poke around with it, send me a PM. The guy was born in the bay area,and lived in the bay area in the 80's and 90's,but he is listed in the 1965 Riverside phone book. His last name is so unusual that I have no doubt it is the same guy!

morf13 wrote:

Just found a guy that lived in Riverside in 1966, and then later lived in the SF bay area whose name fits into the cipher....last name is 8 letters,starts with a Y ends in an E.

But his first name does not seem to match the first name of the cipher.hmmm

If anybody wants the name and would like to poke around with it, send me a PM. The guy was born in the bay area,and lived in the bay area in the 80's and 90's,but he is listed in the 1965 Riverside phone book. His last name is so unusual that I have no doubt it is the same guy!

This guy is likely a dead end. He was a major in the Air Force in 1971,and I saw a photo,doesnt look like Zodiac. I for one can not see a high ranking military officer as being a lunatic serial killer.

Well there was an Air Force Colonel in Canada who turned out to be a serial killer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

But this cipher is not going to contain anyone's real name. The newspaper celebrity cipher is a quote or saying from a famous person. If this is Zodiac real or fake the code probably has a saying from Zodiac. We may have parts of this right, the "Oakland, CA" and the "My Name Is".

I do think there are TWO different symbols, a regular crosshair and a crosshair filled in.

AK Wilks wrote:

Well there was an Air Force Colonel in Canada who turned out to be a serial killer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams

But this cipher is not going to contain anyone's real name. The newspaper celebrity cipher is a quote or saying from a famous person. If this is Zodiac real or fake the code probably has a saying from Zodiac. We may have parts of this right, the "Oakland, CA" and the "My Name Is".

I do think there are TWO different symbols, a regular crosshair and a crosshair filled in.

Certainly possible. What I think it ends with is "MY NAME IS _____ _______". I think the first letter of the last name is Y and the eighth and last letter is the letter E. Some possibilities:

YARRIGLE/YACAVONE/YASUTAKE/YONAMINE/YOSEMITE

N*o** Yi**ku*e

The first name could be "Naomi" (I know that is a female name but the name dosen't have to be the senders name)

A game to play:

NUDGE/NUDIE …….. INSENSIBLE DUSTBIN, SO IF YOU SHAM/SWIM M…. MY NAME IS NUDGE/NUDIE ……..

Thought long time about 'NUDIE FILMSETS INSENSIBLE DUSTBIN, SO IF YOU...', however couldn´t finish the cipher.

My most favorite version is now:

"NUDGE PIMP SULE INSENSIBLE DUSTBIN, SO IF YOU SHAM ME MY NAME IS NUDGE PIMP SULE"

Maybe Z was angry about not getting a letter printed or people wearing buttons..'Sule' als could be 'sure', however the name Nudge exists:

'Nudge is a boy's name seen in the origins Old English, Australian. The name Nudge, is the 70337th most popular baby name at mybaby.net.au, placing it in the top 92% of names on our site.' (some babynet name site from Australia)

Also there has been a Sule Enterprise coporation in West Covina.

Thoughts.


Quicktrader

What is the name of the Lord Executioner in Mikado?

Here's the cast from the liner notes of my copy of the record. (Angel Records 1951) Groucho's may be different.

kirkham wrote:

the bottom right line reads from right to left play ovid...Ovid.read somewhere was a roman poet/ satirist

The last line does look a lot like PLAYOVID, backwards and with OVID upside-down. Shakespeare's play, Romeo and Juliet, is based on Ovid's story, Pyramus and Thisbe. And, in Midsummer Night's Dream, Pyramus and Thisbe is enacted and often referred to as a play within a play. These stories are about young lovers, meetings in odd places, illicit love.

Doesn't look like a Z letter, but, whatever it is - could it be a "play within a play" or a game within a game somehow?

Thanks Seagull and Jem.

_ _ O _ _


_ I _ _ K U _ E


I guess the name I was thinking of was KOKO, also NANKIPOO.

IKOKO might fit the first part.

Don't know about the second part...

I don't want to spoil the party here but I think we better look at this. Is that a V or is it a Y? I've put one of the other Y's beside it for comparison and also the green arrow points to what could be the bottom of the tail of a Y obscured by the postmark.

Also consider that there are no other V's in the cipher and if it was a straight substitution it should be an F anyway.

I think you may be right!

What two letter word begins with a "K"?

K _

Or is it:

K _ _ _ _

Maybe the "Do you know what my name is" idea is wrong.

What do we have if we just use OAKLAND, CA?

Maybe the rest of it is a quote from THE MIKADO, from the character KOKO aka the LORD HIGH EXECUTIONER.

"I've got a little list, They'd none of them be missed..."

I say it's a V. The right leg clearly starts outside the circle at the top, and if continued below the intersection of the other leg, it should be black here (red arrow).

Other than that, I'm not really following this thread and have no idea what you guys are up to...

Well there are other examples in the proposed solution that have more than one symbol assigned to a letter. That's homophonic isn't it and if it's the other way round with the same symbol assigned different letters that's polyalphabetic? is that right.

I'm asking, well for one I can't remember lol, and also to figure out what this one could be cause I can't think of any two letter words that start with K.

Also it might be a v but I thought it was something I should point out once I thought I saw it. In the grand scheme of things it might not affect it all that much to matter. Some more zynchronicity for ya - the symbols on the left hand side of the post card number 32.

Hmm, good counter point Bentley...

If it is a "V" under the Harden Key that translates as a "B".

So maybe that first is ""BE"?

I have to ask. What's the deal with the bit on or under the stamp? is it really there? Is it really 4 letters? Has there ever been a clearer image?. Has anyone found a colour version of that stamp to see how clearly writing would show up if you did write over the top of it?

I mean presumably the stamp was affixed by the person who sent it so why write over it and not avoid it and you certainly wouldn't stick the stamp over part of it unless it was no longer meant to part of the cipher.

EDIT: here we go. Pretty dark stamp to even consider writing over.

For what its worth, I also see little dots on the right side of the postcard. They dont look like they would be periods. Any thoughts on those?

We should also consider that there may be more letters under the stamp in the first line of the cipher that are completely covered by the stamp.

morf13 wrote:

For what its worth, I also see little dots on the right side of the postcard. They dont look like they would be periods. Any thoughts on those?

Probably the outline of where the stamp was to go..most post cards have that

I was reading through the BRS report last night and noticed that a person who was questioned in Darlene's murder had lived on Sandy Beach Road in Vallejo at one point.

Quote :

Officer Husted phoned to report that he checked at Kentwig Lodge and GEORGE identified as George XXXXXX. He only worked there one day and when he left he gave his address as 20 Sandy Beach Road. Stated that he could be contacted there if his services were needed.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR23.html

George it seems had many different jobs and addresses with the Sandy Beach Road address being just one. LE did finally catch up with him in Yountville, Napa County, to interview him. He is mentioned on a few different pages of the report.

I was not aware that there was a road by that name in Vallejo until seeing it in the report last night. It probably does not have anything to do with the cipher card but thought I'd mention it just in case someone can make something of it.

Seagull wrote:

I was reading through the BRS report last night and noticed that a person who was questioned in Darlene's murder had lived on Sandy Beach Road in Vallejo at one point.

Quote :

Officer Husted phoned to report that he checked at Kentwig Lodge and GEORGE identified as George XXXXXX. He only worked there one day and when he left he gave his address as 20 Sandy Beach Road. Stated that he could be contacted there if his services were needed.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR23.html

George it seems had many different jobs and addresses with the Sandy Beach Road address being just one. LE did finally catch up with him in Yountville, Napa County, to interview him. He is mentioned on a few different pages of the report.

I was not aware that there was a road by that name in Vallejo until seeing it in the report last night. It probably does not have anything to do with the cipher card but thought I'd mention it just in case someone can make something of it.

Yes there is an area called Sandy Beach & a Sandy Beach Road in Vallejo, right on the water. Sandy & I went there an snooped around. We did a report on it on the old defunk Zodiaczee. I might still have that information. This is were George XXXXXXX once lived.