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PostSubject: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:24 pm


This thread was started and put elsewhere...I felt it was a bit lost so I am copying the link here:

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:35 pm

Please gather whatever you find interesting in the link above and copy a quote to this thread/location. Sorry if it's a bit confusing.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:45 pm

On an unrelated, and just probably very coincidental note, Dryman was captured while living in NV, is that correct? What town was he living in? I see in his records that he grew up in HAWTHORNE,NV. The reason I ask, is because the guy that may have gotten Darlene Ferrin pregnant, and was mentioned in the police report, Gordon Arthur Spence, had an address in HAWTHORNE in the 1990's. Also had one in BATTLE MOUNTAIN, NV. Is that anywhere close to where Dryman was living?

EDIT: I see that Dryman was picked up in AZ, NOT NV. And I guess the Hawthorne, NV thing is just a coincidence.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:07 am

The two towns are not close. Hawthorne is Northern NV.

Morf: I has asked Rufas what made him look up the old stories to connect Dryman and he stated it was the conversation going on about Pimental! lol
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:14 am

No wonder this guy was sentenced to hang:

Some remembered Dryman's courtroom outburst at his first trial that resulted in conviction and a hanging sentence.

"He turned to the judge and said, 'I'm going to kill you,' he turned to the jury and said 'I am going to kill you' and he turned to the crowd and said some stuff like that," said Clem Pellett. "He was an angry young man who felt powerless."


I wonder who might have been on that jury? Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:29 am

Other than Deer Lodge prison, what smacks of Z here. Could someone please draw up a list of things about Dryman that point to Z? As usual, I'm confused. Is it Bujok or Dryman that people think was Z. Why are the two treated as interchangeable in the three threads? And why are released prisoners from Deer Lodge in the late 1960s considered compelling POIs? After LB, one would expect that anyone parolled from Deer Lodge (esp. one in Jan. 1969) would have had their fingerprints checked against those of Z. If Dryman were Z, of course, it also would mean that LH wasn't a Zodiac murder - a theory that I, like everyone else here, have heard before but one that I find rather far-fetched. Maybe I'm just easily confused (as well as generally ignored).


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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:29 am

His Dad....Frank Valentine Sr.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:34 am

@ Rand--

I think anyone who was born in Napa, served in Vallejo while in the Navy, and was encarcerated @ Deer Lodge is worth further scrutiny.

Dryman's prints were not in the National Data Base. And who knows if LE in the Bay Area got fingerprints from ex-cons from D.L. or not....
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:45 am

This is the best article you will find...and where I got a lot of my info. It's lengthy, but VERY informative.

The capture of Frank Dryman

Long life on the lam

Killer led a life that belied the crime


By JOHN S. ADAMS Tribune Capitol Bureau

ARIZONA CITY, Ariz. — “It all began when a young boy was hitchhiking to Canada to see his girlfriend …” Frank Dryman wrote those words on May 1, 1960, in an appeal to the Montana Board of Pardons and Parole, seek­ing commutation of his life sentence for murder.

The commutation was even­tually granted, but how Dry­man’s story ends remains to be written.

Arizona sheriff’s deputies arrested Dryman, a.k.a. Vic­tor Houston, on March 23 — 38 years after he jumped parole in California, disap­pearing into the desert and leaving a wife and five stepchildren behind.

Montana’s longest-running fugitive, he was returned to the Montana State Prison in Deer Lodge late Friday after­noon.

Dryman spent 14 years in Deer Lodge for murdering Clarence Pellett 59 years ago today along a muddy road abut 18 miles north of Shelby. Dryman was paroled in 1969, and, according to prison records, spent the next two years, nine months and 11 days living a productive and lawful life in Southern Califor­nia. Dryman married, started a sign-painting business and followed the rules of his life­time parole.

Then, on Aug. 30, 1971, he disappeared without a trace.

Were it not for the nagging curiosity of the victim’s grand­son, a Bellevue, Wash., oral surgeon, the story might have ended there. Clem Pellett’s deter­mination to find out what hap­pened to his grandfather’s miss­ing killer eventually led authori­ties to a run-down wedding chapel on the edge of a rural Ari­zona desert town.

There, living in a tiny trailer surrounded by overgrown prickly pear and cholla cactuses, they found Victor Houston.

The ink on his tattoos had faded. The slick James Dean hair­do was reduced to thin tufts of white. The cocky gaze of a 19­year-old killer was replaced with the sagging, hard-worn face of a man who spent decades living in the desert among the cactuses and rattlesnakes.

Victor Houston, a mostly blind and ailing wedding deacon, was actually Frank Dryman.

After 38 years on the lam, Clarence Pellett’s missing mur­derer — a man who twice escaped the hangman’s noose — had finally been caught.

The last name on his birth cer­tificate reads Dryman, but the man who murdered Clarence Pel­lett spent the first 17 years of his life as Frank Robert Valentine.

“Always he was plagued by his name or names,” Dryman wrote of himself nine years into his prison sentence.

He was baptized and enlisted in the Navy as Valentine. But he is known in Montana and throughout the legal system as Dryman. He sometimes signed both signatures to official legal documents and letters to the parole board.

Once paroled, he resumed using the name Valentine. When he married in August 1969, he did so under the name Valentine.

His siblings, except for a half­brother from a different father, all bore the name Valentine.

When he arrived in southern Arizona sometime in the mid-1970s, Frank Valentine took on the alias Victor Houston, a name one family member said he “pulled out of the air.”

Frank Dryman, Frank Valen­tine and Victor Houston are the same person. (For the purposes of this story, the name he went by at the timeframe in the narra­tive will be used)

The murder

Frank Robert Valentine was honorably discharged from the Navy in June 1949. He was 18 years old. He bounced around the country, working odd jobs along the way before landing in Reno, Nev.

According to his own writings, it was there, in February 1951, that he bought a .45-caliber auto­matic pistol. On April 2 of that year, Frank Valentine, then 19, left Reno on his way to Las Vegas.

“In Vegas, I began hitchhiking north with the vague idea of see­ing my girlfriend in Canada,” he wrote while in prison. “I was car­rying a shoulder holster. It was, of course, habit only, as I had no intention of ever using it.”

By April 4, Valentine had made his way into northcentral Montana. He found he was unprepared for the harsh weath­er, “dressed only in a light suit and a plastic rain coat.”

“Stopping in Great Falls briefly, I went to the draft board and told them I was in Montana …” Dryman wrote. “Then I received a ride with two young women and a man going to Shel­by. They were nice people, and we laughed a lot on the trip.”

They dropped Valentine off in Shelby, where the spring snow­storm was even worse.

“Time passed and I was logged down by the cold. Numb and blue, with the icy wind raging down the prairie,” Dryman wrote.

Finally, around 7:30 p.m., a car stopped and Dryman got in.

“Without noticing, or caring, who was driving, we traveled several miles ... Then my gun was in my hand, and I heard myself telling the driver to drive off the highway,” Dryman later wrote. “It was as though I was in a dream. My ears were ringing, and I never even heard his reply, if there was one.”

The driver was Clarence E. Pellett, 59, a father of six who operated a café at Four Corners, where the highway north inter­sected with the east-west road to nearby Kevin and Oilmont.

On April 5, a sheriff’s posse found Pellett’s bullet-riddled body in a muddy field. He had been shot seven times in the back with a .45-caliber pistol.

Dryman claims he doesn’t remember killing Pellett. In a let­ter to the parole board, written nine years later, he said the next thing he remembered after telling Pellett to pull over was standing over the victim’s body, the warm gun in his hand.

“I knelt beside him to see if he can be helped,” Dryman wrote years later. “It’s easy to see that he is dead, so I ran for the car and drove fast towards Canada.”

The sentence

Valentine, or Dryman as he was known to authorities, was captured by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police the next day and returned to Shelby. He confessed to the murder April 8, after sever­al days of questioning by Toole County authorities.

“In Shelby, the officials con­vinced me that I was guilty, and I pleaded the same and asked that I pay the supreme penalty,” Dry­man wrote.

On the afternoon of April 12, 1951, District Judge R.M. Hatter­sley granted Dryman’s wish. Hat­tersley ordered that Dryman be “hung by his neck until dead.”

“I had no lawyer, and asked for none, and the courtroom was bare as his honor passed sen­tence,” Dryman wrote of that day.

He was sentenced to die June 1. The night before the hanging, after he already had requested his final meal, Dryman was spared.

Without his knowledge, a group of local citizens who were concerned that Dryman didn’t receive a fair trial formed the “Dryman Clemency Committee.” They hired a lawyer and appealed his death sentence to the Montana Supreme Court.

The court ordered a new trial and, on Jan. 13, 1953, Dryman was again sentenced to hang.

His case again was appealed to the state Supreme Court and a third trial eventually was ordered. The venue was moved to Havre, where a Hill County jury once again found Dryman guilty. Dryman was spared the death penalty and instead sen­tenced to life in prison, which by state statute at the time amount­ed to 30 years.

Prison and parole

According to prison records, Dryman was a model prisoner. His supervisors described him as “industrious” and “ambitious.”

A talented artist from the time he was a child, Dryman picked up sign painting and drafting while in prison. He earned his diploma and was taking corre­spondence courses to earn his engineering degree.

“In the opinion of the work supervisor there has been a defi­nite change for the better in this inmate,” wrote one prison official in a progress report.

After three appeals to the parole board for a commutation of his sentence, Dryman was released to his younger brother Jim in Chino, Calif., on Jan. 7, 1969.

At that point, Dryman went back to using the name Valentine. He got a job working at a furni­ture company, where he made $2.25 per hour, but he was soon laid off. He found a job at a steel factory, but was again laid off.

So he started his own sign­painting business. His parole officer found him to be a hard worker who was com­mitted to succeeding as a parolee.

“It appears that the subject has motivation at this time to meet his parole obligations and there did not appear to be any difficul­ties,” parole officer J. Allen wrote on Jan. 16, 1969.

In August of that year, Valen­tine married Bryle Cahill, a divor­cée with five children.

The couple moved to Rialto, Calif., where the Valentines con­tinued to operate a sign shop. Business was good, and by the summer of 1970 they were bring­ing in about $1,000 a month.

“This man continues to make a satisfactory adjustment,” Allen wrote in his Aug. 25, 1970, report.

But soon thereafter trouble began to surface. According to parole records, Valentine and his wife began having marital prob­lems. His wife complained that Valentine was working too much and not paying enough attention to her and her children. Valen­tine, meanwhile, was having dif­ficulties adjusting to life on the outside after spending the better part of 18 years in prison.

The couple split up and his wife moved into an apartment with the children. They reunited months later, and for a while things seemed to be OK. But when the parole officer checked on Valentine in December, Beryl said Frank had disappeared five weeks earlier. The last time she saw him was on Oct. 27, 1971, she told the parole officer. According to his wife, Valentine gave no reason for leaving.

Dryman disappears

Dryman’s only biological daughter, 28-year-old Cathie Houston of Portales, N.M., said in an a recent interview with the Tribune that her father told her he left his life in California because, “he wasn’t happy.” She said she didn’t know of her father’s past life until after he was arrested in Arizona last month. She recently visited him several times in the Pinal County Jail, where she learned more.

“He said he was stuck in a bad marriage with a bunch of kids that weren’t his,” Houston said. “He just wanted to get away from it all. He didn’t care about his parole. He was miserable, and he just wanted to start his life over.” After his disappearance, Valen­tine’s parole officer contacted members of his family but none heard from him until long after authorities gave up looking for Valentine. His ailing mother, Gladys Foster, once wrote a letter to prison officials begging them to help her find her missing son.

“In fact, I hope you people have caught him. At least I would know where he is,” Foster wrote in 1976.

Before disappearing, Valentine stocked up on camping equip­ment and clothes. His wife told authorities he might be living in the desert.

Valentine grew up outside Las Vegas. His father, Frank Valen­tine Sr., was a construction worker on the Hoover Dam and the family lived near there until Frank was 6.

When Valentine failed to resurface after several months, his wife initiated divorce pro­ceedings. Montana authorities put out a warrant for his arrest on March 27, 1972. His parole revoked, Frank Dryman, a.k.a Frank Valentine, was once again a wanted man.





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Dryman family photo in 1954.




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Dryman at a U.S. Navy reunion.


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Dryman ran a business in Arizona City, Ariz., under the name Victor Houston.


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Dryman marries a couple. He was a Notary Public.


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Dryman served on the USS Princeton off the shores of Hawaii.


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Dryman holds a grandchild earlier this year.

A new life


It’s unclear when, exactly, Frank Valentine arrived in Ari­zona City, Ariz., and became Vic­tor Houston. Some residents of the small, dusty, desert town about 60 miles south of Phoenix think he rolled into town in the mid-1970s.

Dryman, or Victor Houston as he is known to the 4,000 or so res­idents there, declined to be inter­viewed in jail in Arizona.

Dryman may have lived in Nevada for a period of time. A California private investigator contacted Montana prison offi­cials in December 1972, and informed them that Dryman was living in Las Vegas. Authorities issued a warrant for his arrest there, but after years of searching they turned up nothing.

“He told me he spent some time in Nevada once,” said Jack Lindholme, an Arizona City man who, along with his wife Patricia, helped care for Houston when his health began to decline in recent years. “I was teasing him about getting his deacon’s license out of the back of a magazine, and he told me he had actually gone to seminary in Nevada.”

Houston, who ran the Cactus Rose Wedding Chapel from his home in Arizona City, at some point began living with a woman named Debbie, and her daughter Wendy. It’s unclear if Houston and Debbie were ever legally married, but they had a child, Cathie, when Houston was 50.

“He never thought he could have kids,” Cathie said. “I was a surprise.”

The couple split when Cathie was a child, but they remained friendly for years. They even lived on the property for a few years so Cathie would have both of her parents nearby.

Houston was a fan of old West­ern movie heroes. Posters and autographed photos of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson adorn the walls of his humble trailer, alongside dozens of family photos chroni­cling seven decades of family life. A plaque above a shelf in his living room showcases several badges he wore over the years as a volunteer for the local sheriff’s posse and for a security company he started.

Friends and neighbors say Houston is a gruff and not partic­ularly friendly man, but he is known locally as a hard worker and is generally well-respected in the community.

“Here he was a community activist,” Patricia Lindholme said. “He was on the board of directors for the Moose Club. When AARP had a charter here, he was active in that. Everything he did here was diametrically opposed to Frank Dryman.”

Lindholme said Houston once told her that he killed a man.

“He said it was a bar fight and that he served his time,” Lind­holme said. “I just left it at that.”

Wedding chapel

In Arizona City, Houston built a very public life.

“Rattlesnake Vic” or “Pink Pan­ther,” as he was known to some, bought two acres on the south end of town, which he nicknamed “Jackass Flats” and opened a sign-painting shop and wedding chapel there. He officiated over hundreds of weddings over the years, Cathie said, and his sign­painting truck was a familiar sight throughout the region.

“He was a wonderful artist,” his daughter said.

He painted signs on fire trucks and police cars. His services were sought after by shop owners, real estate agents and even the town itself.

“Up until a few years ago, the sign welcoming you to Arizona City was painted by my dad,” Cathie said.

He took cash for jobs ranging from hunting rattlesnakes to offi­ciating over weddings to notariz­ing public documents. He also sold cactuses and desert knick­knacks from a small booth inside his fenced cactus garden.

He was the town’s official weather reporter for the National Weather Service. He volunteered for the local sheriff’s posse and search and rescue team. In 2002, he completed the Pinal County Volunteer Sheriff’s Academy, a process that required him to sub­mit to fingerprinting and a back­ground check. People in town were shocked to learn that the well-known Vic Houston was the same man who murdered a café owner in Mon­tana nearly six decades earlier.

“It’s a good thing I was sitting down. It was like somebody had hit me between the eyes with a ball bat,” said Gary, a brusque, cowboy of a man who said he was one of Houston’s closest friends. Gary did not want his last name used in this story.

“Vic is well-known in this country. Anybody who needed something or needed help, any civic thing, election committee, census. You name it, and Vic helped out,” Gary said.

A card hanging on Houston’s refrigerator bears a quote from Ethel Percy Andrus, California’s first female high school principal, which sums up Houston’s life in Arizona: “Do what you can, with what you have, where you are today.”

“That’s how my dad lived his life,” Cathie said. “He wasn’t per­fect, but he was a good man who tried to do good by others.”

Dryman’s future

Clem Pellett, the man who led authorities to his grandfather’s killer, said he never expected to find Frank Dryman, and he defi­nitely didn’t expect to find Dry­man alive.

“That was a total shock,” said Pellett, who grew up in Great Falls. His father was longtime local dentist Marion Pellett.

Now that Dryman is back behind bars in Montana, Pellett said he’s satisfied with whatever the state parole board decides to do with him.

“This isn’t about revenge,” Pel­lett said. “I’d happy with whatev­er their decision is.”

It’s not entirely clear at this point what the future holds for Frank Dryman. He’s in poor health, and his daughter suspects that the cancer he beat years ago has returned. He’s nearly blind, mostly deaf and suffers from an ailing liver.

An official for the Board of Par­dons and Parole did not immedi­ately respond to an e-mail inquiry about Dryman, but a parole revo­cation hearing is expected to take place sometime within the next few months. At that point, Dry­man could be re-paroled, or he could be sent back to prison to serve out his life sentence. He also could seek a pardon from the governor.

In the meantime, prison doc­tors are evaluating his health.

Cathie said she just wants her father to be able to return to his trailer and live out his remaining days in the desert.

“I don’t know why Montana would even want him back,” said Cathie. “He’s just a sick, scared old man.”


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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:51 am

tahoe27 wrote:
Dryman's prints were not in the National Data Base. And who knows if LE in the Bay Area got fingerprints from ex-cons from D.L. or not....

Thanks, Tahoe Wink If LE didn't check prints of released inmates from Deer Lodge after LB, that would be criminal.
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:23 am

Very interesting tahoe. Thanks for posting.
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:57 am

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@ Rand--

I think anyone who was born in Napa, served in Vallejo while in the Navy, and was encarcerated @ Deer Lodge is worth further scrutiny.

Dryman's prints were not in the National Data Base. And who knows if LE in the Bay Area got fingerprints from ex-cons from D.L. or not....

I agree 100%. Here's my problem, I would be utterly shocked if his prints are not in the database after lis most recent arrest, it is common procedure now. I would be equally as shocked if Zodiac's prints are not in the database now. So therefore, in my mind, if Dryman was Z, there would undoubtedly be a match by now. That doesnt rule out the possibility that Dryman was in some way involved or was the inspiration. Is it possible that Dryman, after leaving Deer Lodge, goes back to teh Napa area and visits friends and Family, and then goes on about his business, yet somebody he talks to is the Zodiac, likes Dryman's Deer Lodge stories, and uses one of the stories at Berryessa. Maybe we should be looking at friends, and Family of his in the Napa area????
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:22 am

I remember reading the argument somewhere (probably by someone whose POIs prints don't match Smile) that the Z prints aren't of adequate quality to be entered into AVIS or whatever that is.
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:21 pm

morf13 wrote:
tahoe27 wrote:
@ Rand--

I think anyone who was born in Napa, served in Vallejo while in the Navy, and was encarcerated @ Deer Lodge is worth further scrutiny.

Dryman's prints were not in the National Data Base. And who knows if LE in the Bay Area got fingerprints from ex-cons from D.L. or not....

I agree 100%. Here's my problem, I would be utterly shocked if his prints are not in the database after lis most recent arrest, it is common procedure now. I would be equally as shocked if Zodiac's prints are not in the database now. So therefore, in my mind, if Dryman was Z, there would undoubtedly be a match by now. That doesnt rule out the possibility that Dryman was in some way involved or was the inspiration. Is it possible that Dryman, after leaving Deer Lodge, goes back to teh Napa area and visits friends and Family, and then goes on about his business, yet somebody he talks to is the Zodiac, likes Dryman's Deer Lodge stories, and uses one of the stories at Berryessa. Maybe we should be looking at friends, and Family of his in the Napa area????

And I too agree 100% with everything you have said. Except I don't know how much family or friends he had in Napa. He was born there, but grew up in Nevada.

I also reported him to the VPD (got the confirmed report#)....and Napa, so I would LIKE to think they have looked into him. But, another one of my problems is I am not confident in the prints they have. I'll keep it brief because we have discussed this before. No LHR prints, no BRS prints, wet Napa phone booth prints and cab prints? And none of them match. He knew about tracing photos, he thought of airplane glue to hide prints, yet he was sloppy? Where was CSI when Zodiac needed it? scratch

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Curious. If they discovered who Zodiac was, would they stop looking for Cheri's killer or Edwards and Domingos' killer? What if Zodiac is found and he wears a size 12 shoe? Question
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:23 pm

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I would be equally as shocked if Zodiac's prints are not in the database now. So therefore, in my mind, if Dryman was Z, there would undoubtedly be a match by now.

We don't know if they are Zodiac's prints. Any available DNA may be contaminated and may not belong to the Zodiac killer.
Also, you assume the letter writer and the killer are the same individuals. The only case that we can almost safely assume the writer and the killer were the same individuals is the Stine case. I am cautious with LB just because of the sighting of the unknown male. His features do not match the composite. While one can argue the composite mey be falsesome to begin with, we can not exclude the opposite either. One can also argue the unknown man had nothing to do with the LB murder. While this is true, the opposite cannot be proven either.
Therefore, any DNA that LE may be comparing to the database may be contaminated and will never help to positively identify the killer and/or the writer.

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Is it possible that Dryman, after leaving Deer Lodge, goes back to teh Napa area and visits friends and Family, and then goes on about his business, yet somebody he talks to is the Zodiac, likes Dryman's Deer Lodge stories, and uses one of the stories at Berryessa. Maybe we should be looking at friends, and Family of his in the Napa area????

Yes, that's possible. The other of multiple possibilies is that the Zodiac killer was trying to blame the killings on Dryman. I am considering this possibility due to some of my findings in the 340/ MYNAMEIS cipher ( WETMAN...Dryman's inmate number where 2 numbers are flipped). The HC may also hint towards Dryman, valentine stickers, sceleton almost "hanging" in the spiderweb may allude to Dryman's escape from being hung, the mask on the skeleton may mean the skeleton is not the writer but someone else., LAV as possible VAL(entine) on the envelope.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:31 pm

Nin wrote:
morf13 wrote:
Is it possible that Dryman, after leaving Deer Lodge, goes back to teh Napa area and visits friends and Family, and then goes on about his business, yet somebody he talks to is the Zodiac, likes Dryman's Deer Lodge stories, and uses one of the stories at Berryessa. Maybe we should be looking at friends, and Family of his in the Napa area????

Yes, that's possible. The other of multiple possibilies is that the Zodiac killer was trying to blame the killings on Dryman. I am considering this possibility due to some of my findings in the 340/ MYNAMEIS cipher ( WETMAN...Dryman's inmate number where 2 numbers are flipped). The HC may also hint towards Dryman, valentine stickers, sceleton almost "hanging" in the spiderweb may allude to Dryman's escape from being hung, the mask on the skeleton may mean the skeleton is not the writer but someone else., LAV as possible VAL(entine) on the envelope.

-Nin

Nin--did you notice. The day Dryman went missing was October 27th. The same date postmarked on the HC card a couple of years earlier. And the ship Dryman served was the ship who picked up the Apollo out of the ocean in '69. Hence the stamp. (probably far-fetched but interesting coincideces!)
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:53 pm

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Nin--did you notice. The day Dryman went missing was October 27th. The same date postmarked on the HC card a couple of years earlier. And the ship Dryman served was the ship who picked up the Apollo out of the ocean in '69. Hence the stamp. (probably far-fetched but interesting coincideces!)

Yes, interesting. May be coincidence, may be not. Again, Dryman does not have to be THE Zodiac killer. He may have been A killer, A writer, or the black sheep. Or not being involved at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:27 pm

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Nin--did you notice. The day Dryman went missing was October 27th. The same date postmarked on the HC card a couple of years earlier. And the ship Dryman served was the ship who picked up the Apollo out of the ocean in '69. Hence the stamp. (probably far-fetched but interesting coincideces!)

Yes, interesting. May be coincidence, may be not. Again, Dryman does not have to be THE Zodiac killer. He may have been A killer, A writer, or the black sheep. Or not being involved at all.

-Nin

This is true. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:14 pm

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I would be equally as shocked if Zodiac's prints are not in the database now. So therefore, in my mind, if Dryman was Z, there would undoubtedly be a match by now.

We don't know if they are Zodiac's prints. Any available DNA may be contaminated and may not belong to the Zodiac killer.
Also, you assume the letter writer and the killer are the same individuals. The only case that we can almost safely assume the writer and the killer were the same individuals is the Stine case. I am cautious with LB just because of the sighting of the unknown male. His features do not match the composite. While one can argue the composite mey be falsesome to begin with, we can not exclude the opposite either. One can also argue the unknown man had nothing to do with the LB murder. While this is true, the opposite cannot be proven either.
Therefore, any DNA that LE may be comparing to the database may be contaminated and will never help to positively identify the killer and/or the writer.

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Is it possible that Dryman, after leaving Deer Lodge, goes back to teh Napa area and visits friends and Family, and then goes on about his business, yet somebody he talks to is the Zodiac, likes Dryman's Deer Lodge stories, and uses one of the stories at Berryessa. Maybe we should be looking at friends, and Family of his in the Napa area????

Yes, that's possible. The other of multiple possibilies is that the Zodiac killer was trying to blame the killings on Dryman. I am considering this possibility due to some of my findings in the 340/ MYNAMEIS cipher ( WETMAN...Dryman's inmate number where 2 numbers are flipped). The HC may also hint towards Dryman, valentine stickers, sceleton almost "hanging" in the spiderweb may allude to Dryman's escape from being hung, the mask on the skeleton may mean the skeleton is not the writer but someone else., LAV as possible VAL(entine) on the envelope.

-Nin

Hi NIN

Can you elaborate on the WETMAN thing? Is this leading to something that would begin to explain the water associations?

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, Frank used the alias VALERY. AVERY was misspelled by Z as AVERLY.
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:25 pm

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Can you elaborate on the WETMAN thing? Is this leading to something that would begin to explain the water associations?

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, Frank used the alias VALERY. AVERY was misspelled by Z as AVERLY.

When I started to post my thread I clearly stated that there may be a relation between the MYNAMEIS cipher and the 340, the MYNAMEIS cipher possible being a keyword to unlock a certain part of the 340 (only considering straight ascii letters, using the 408 substitutiuon key "in reverse"). In this connection I pointed to the OTSELTTEEINATOTSEL sequence and noticed the similarities between this sequence and the MYNAMEISCIPHER regarding symmetry and golden ratio of its components.

Furthermore I posted that the OTSEL sequence (combined or based on the MYNAMEIS cipher) may be the keyphrase to then unlock lines 1-3 and 11-13 - or a combination thereof- of the 340.

Having run many iterations with the MYNAMEIS cipher, the OTSEL sequence and permutations of lines 1-3,11-13 I did not find anything of definite relevance yet.

The "hooks" kept cruising in my mind and once that David posted on the probablilities for them to occur like they do in the 340, I went back to the MYNAMEISCIPHER and compared it to the hooks. Here is what I found. I hesitated to post this. It looks like I am trying to prove a certain poi was the Zodiac. However, the following steps are exactly that, steps that developed during hours of check and recheck. It might all be a coincidence, but I decided to share it with you.

The MYNAMEISCIPHER consists of 3 (straight) ascii letters (AEN), then 2 symbols (cross hair,8 or taurus), then one straight ascii letter (K), then one symbol ( 8 or taurus), then one straight ascii letter (M), then one symbol (8 or taurus), then the "anchor", then r (straight) ascii letters (NAM)



The "hooks":


What always bothered me with the MYNAMEIS cipher is the introduction of the new symbols, accounting for a total of 4 characters. 8 letters plus the crosshair symbol versus 4 new symbols. The writer knew that any short "cipher" like that is unsolvable because unprovable. He either sent us a nothing and the 340 is a nothing or he sent us a hint, a code,someting that may unlock the 340 or parts thereof.

While I am still looking for the MYNAMEIS cipher to deliver a possible key, I am considering an additional possibility. Something a person who is not well educated with ciphers may do.

Take a look at the MYNAMEIS cipher. What if the "middel part" was only created to throw you off. All the new symbols are located in this area here:



If you compare the outer parts (kinda like the OTSEL....OTSEL concept, isn't it ..) of the MYNAMEIS cipher with the hooks, you will notice the pivoted n-grams consist of 3 characters and a pivot point. The outer parts of the MYNAMEIS cipher also consists of 3 characters, AEN and NAM.

When you arrange the AEN and the NAM in an angle, similar to the hooks, you get:


When you apply Zodiacs 408 key and decipher AEN, you get WEE or WET, based on the double value of N. If we settle in N=T something peculiar happens. You read the “hook” the same way it is displayed in the 340. Starting point is left on the horizontal arm and up on the vertical arm:

WETMAN


Kinda funny if you have a POI with the name of DRYMAN! It gets even funnier:

Frank Dryman’s inmate number in Deer Lodge Penitentiary was # 17 18 8. In the mugshot you see spacing between 17, 18 and the 8. Expressed in letter value you get QRH. Q for 17, R for 18, and H for 8.

QRH deciphered via 408 key is FGT. F for Q, G for R, and T for H.

The RJI “hook” in the 340 ciphertext deciphers to GFT via 408 key. Compare FGT to GFT.

# 17 18 8 according to mugshot

# 18 17 8 as found in “hook”

Not the same number, but incredibly close, just one flipped number. In the 340, the second “hook” basically flips the letters in the pivoted n-gram.

Inmates get “dehumanized” by getting a number they go by rather than a name. So, MY NAME IS possibly Zodiac’s inmate number? I would certainly be more supportive of this theory, if the numbers were not flipped. And yet, strange it is. What a humor it would be, Dryman calling from a booth located between a carwash and a Chinese laundry. He certainly went from a Dryman to being a Wetman..Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:55 pm

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing NIN.

Of course, a laundry can also be a DRY CLEANERS.

Frank spend 14 years in prison (from the time of his final sentence). Could this be the 4-teen and 14 references in the HC?

Is anyone here in contact with John Cameron and if so, would it be possible to find out what (if anything) was uncovered in his recent interview with Dryman?

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:40 pm

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Is anyone here in contact with John Cameron and if so, would it be possible to find out what (if anything) was uncovered in his recent interview with Dryman?


John recently signed up here. Hopefully he may post some info he is willing to share with us.

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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:25 am


I belive this is Frank Robert Valentine/Dryman's fathers obit, not 100% sure though, due to that "our" Frank Robert Valentine/Dryman is NOT mentioned in the obit, however I have the impression that FRVD did not have a close relation to his father or somthing like that.
But as I understnad FRVD hooked up with his brother "Jim or Jimmy Valentine" after he was released from Deer Lodge, and in this obit there is a son named Frank james valentine Jr. so he might be "Jim"? :



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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:23 am

TF I do not think that is the right Frank Valentine.

I was able to find a 1958 California voters record for-

Frank Valentine
12080 Pipe Line Ave.
Chino CA

Geneva G. Valentine
12080 Pipe Line Ave.
Chino CA

The obituary you have posted says that your Frank Valentine lived on the Peninsula, San Francisco Bay Area, his entire life. Chino is in San Bernardino County in Southern California.

Dryman went to live and work with his brother in Chino after being released from prison, he married in San Bernardino County so the Frank and Geneva Valentine in Chino would make sense. Geneva is given as Dryman's mother's name on that border crossing document.
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PostSubject: Re: Frank Dryman/Valentine aka Vic Huston   Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:32 am

TF here is the border crossing document that I posted on page 17 of the Bujok, Edwards, Dryman thread.



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