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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:49 am

Hi,

great news these files...

Maybe Adams office was the one below, 1476 Scenic Avenue, it is very close to University Avenue (Officer Ronald Tsukamolo was shot at University Avenue for no reason while giving a ticket to a motorcyclist) and this name has a 'Dr.' as a title. What is interesting is that the report even mentions the name of this certain former patient of Dr. Adams, although blanked out by FBI. Anybody some good contacts there? Wink

BTW, Dr. Adams lived in Orinda, just about 1-2 miles from where the Radian theory might lead to (26, St. Stephens Drive). If Z ever lived there, he might've known Dr. Adams before visiting him in his Berkeley office.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:00 am

Perhaps the office of Dr. Adams was at the Hotel Shattuck, and his residence was on Scenic Ave.?

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PostSubject: UNREDACTED You are next card   Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:31 am





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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:53 am

102 Camino Don Miguel, Orinda, CA 94563

Is in the "Sleepy Hollow Country Club" area.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:01 am

for reference


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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:05 am


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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:11 am

No idea,

Couldn't find anything that suggested how up to date the info is and the profiles all seem to be blank.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:22 am

Dr. Adams died. I posted something about that yesterday, can't find it now!

Social Security gives this info-

Born: Oct. 3, 1919
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:24 am

Seagull wrote:
Dr. Adams died. I posted something about that yesterday, can't find it now!

Social Security gives this info-

Born: Oct. 3, 1919
Died: May 24, 2004

Thanks! Bummer as I was thinking of paying him a visit.
Any info on a wife or children?

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:33 am

I did see a 1958 article where his daughter was getting married. I found where I posted the stuff on Dr. Adams, about 2/3 of the way down there are some posts by me.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:09 am

Was he a psychiatrist by any chance?

So great to have a name!

EDIT----Sorry. I just needed to go back a page and read the wonderful info Seagull found. Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:13 am

Seagull wrote:
Dr. Adams was a psychiatrist!


He was Tahoe.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:59 am

You guys were pretty busy overnight digging. Wasnt that woman 'Janet White' tht placed the 'Betty Lou' ad in the Vallejo Times, of similar profession?

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:22 am

Very disturbing... Zodiac is targeting a psychiatrist in the East Bay. He knows where he lives.
The postcard says "You taught me to MEAN it!" I'd say there is a good chance that Zodiac was
a patient of his. Zodiac was a terrorist. Zodiac was a stalker.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:05 am

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Very disturbing... Zodiac is targeting a psychiatrist in the East Bay. He knows where he lives.
The postcard says "You taught me to MEAN it!" I'd say there is a good chance that Zodiac was
a patient of his. Zodiac was a terrorist. Zodiac was a stalker.

I believe this card was determined not to be from Zodiac. I would imagine this doctor probably knew who it was. Since it was a threat, I am sure LE took it seriously.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:02 pm

Theforeigner wrote:

Great job, AGAIN Morf ! Thank you VERY much:)


IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.

Why?

Because:

1. the cut out day/date is proably from the same newspaper, exact same font.

2. both cards are signed with the name "Zodiac", and the name "Zodiac" in both cards are ALSO proably from the same newspaper, both in exact same font, only the Oct 5 is made by single cut out letters (NOT italics)and the Oct 12 is one single word cut out (this IS italics version of the font).

3. the crosshair symbols on the Oct 5 and the Oct 12 are very simelar in their design.


Excellent work here. If this is a real Zodiac card, than the question is why did Zodiac pick a psychiatrist, and why Dr. Edward Adams?

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:45 pm

I do agree those two were sent by the same person...just not Zodiac. Another coo-coo out there. There were hundreds of fake letters...I imagine these are just a couple of them. I suspect this person also sent the Pines card.

Surely Doc Adams looked at actual Zodiac communications for any familiarity with any of his patients. I would guess this sender was his patient, hence no handwriting.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:28 pm

Maybe someone can post the flipside of the 13th victim fk I'm crackproof card. That does have a small bit of handwriting and Cal DOJ and SFPD considered it real Zodiac. And it looks like same person sent this you are next card to Dr. Adams.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:36 pm

'crackproof' + 'piggies'

Would say this is definitely NOT a hoax letter.

Z changed his way of how he wrote his letters almost everytime, in this letter Z used the word 'crackproof' (also 'piggies'). The word crackproof was later used by Z in a HANDWRITTEN letter on 03-13-71, so it for 99% was NOT a hoax as long as Z didn't use the same words as the hoax letter writer (if someone may want to present the hoax letter being published somewhere...?).

And Z 'counted' his victims (13,17) in these letters. Also, in the 10-05-70 letter Z used BLOOD for drawing the cross, although this doesnt show up in the black/white copy.

Because of the 'crackproof' I believe these letters are true Z letters, although different in style. Also Z used double postage in the very similar 10-12-71 letter, same Zodiac letters, same date format.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:47 pm

Wasnt blood it was just colored red see the FBI. File

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:54 pm

Traveller is right...it wasn't blood.

Someone is trying to copy Zodiac (imo). Of course they would use words, and symbols, etc. to try and make you believe it. That's sort of the point.

I guess I don't know why Zodiac would go on this cut & paste spree around October of 1970 and then go back to his regular handwriting a few months later, then, within a few days go back to cut & pasting. It makes no sense. He liked writing...had no problem with it.

To each his (or her Wink )own. I know it's not of popular opinion. I just seem to always get he "he changed his ways" comment and that just doesn't cut it for me.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:08 pm

Hi,

am ok with the blood / color but it was not the copycat using Zs word 'crackproof', it was vice versa - Z used the 'crackproof' after it was used in the cut & pasting letter.

So Z must've seen the first letter before using it in his handwritten letter. Or he used the word twice in these two different letter types.

a.) Z loved to play with different methods of writing/killing ('change my method'-style) - positive
b.) Z worked at e.g. the San Fran Chronicle (or police?), therefore knew about the letter (management? Hearst-connection?) - ultrapositive
c.) Z read about the letter in the newspaper, then used crackproof in his true letter - was the 'hoax' letter published earlier? I doubt it - negative
d.) Z used the word 'crackproof' accidentially - 1:100.000, ultranegative
e.) The copycat was a psychic or he knew Z and wrote the letter for him - conspiracy theory

'Tell herb caen I am here, I have always been here.'

Z was an employee at the San Fran Chronicle. At least he delivered Zodiac paper or something like this on a regular basis. That's also how he met Stine. Originally from Riverside, he knew CJB and Cecilia Shepard. Dr. Adams was his psychiatrist, so he also got in contact with Donna Lass.

95% of all Z letters went to the SF Chronicle / Hearst Group....even the dripping pen card and the letter to the SF Examiner is a match as it was part of the Hearst group as well.

Maybe we should open our eyes on the simple things - Z built up an enormous pressure to the SF Chronicle / Hearst group. Patty Hearst played a role in it as well.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer_letters

Did Melvin Belli have any contacts to the SF Chronicle / Hearst family? This would close the round...and raises the main question - WHO KNEW ALL OF THEM?

Who knew about the first crackproof letter until 13-03-71?
Who came from LA/Riverside and had contact to the Hearst family?
Who from LA/Riverside had contacts to the SLA group?
Who came from Fern Lodge home for nurses before he killed at LB?
Who went to Letterman hospital for psychiatric treatment?
Who went to Dr. Edward Adams for treatment?
Who was the marine who just walked in at Tarbox the lawyer?
Who studied at Riverside and served his military service presumably @ Mare island?
Who was the guy who was later arrested by Vern Lippold?
Why did Z hate Belli with his (presumably) American Bar Association button?


Was he a lawyer at the SF Chronicle? Did Melvin Belli 'steal' his customer, the Hearst family?

Come on guys, anybody with an idea? I mean, maybe we should just start searching client databases e.g. of Tarbox' office or something like that?

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:21 pm

A written direct threat of murder to a named individual would be pretty ballsy of a copy cat.
But it is either Zodiac or a copy cat patient of the doctor. The postcard referencing 13 killed
feels very Zodiac to me, with each punch hole carefully reminding him of each victim.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:26 pm

QT and OWK - Right. The real Zodiac said in his LA Times letter 'Like I always said I'm crackproof'.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:48 pm

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19761118&id=PfVLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qO0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6813,834287

Melvin Belli - Hearst connection, obviously he was into Hearst to getting them as a client..

'Would you have wanted the Hearst case?' (asked in 1976!).

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