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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   "The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 EmptySat May 28, 2011 3:10 am

Theforeigner wrote:
IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.
That I can believe.
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Theforeigner wrote:

Great job, AGAIN Morf ! Thank you VERY much:)


IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.

Why?

Because:

1. the cut out day/date is proably from the same newspaper, exact same font.

2. both cards are signed with the name "Zodiac", and the name "Zodiac" in both cards are ALSO proably from the same newspaper, both in exact same font, only the Oct 5 is made by single cut out letters (NOT italics)and the Oct 12 is one single word cut out (this IS italics version of the font).

3. the crosshair symbols on the Oct 5 and the Oct 12 are very simelar in their design.

"The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 13holecardandnewpossibleZcardOct121970

Wow, very good Foreigner. Does anybody know how soon the photo of the Oct 5,1970 card was in the papers? If it wasnt shown in the papers, then it likely is indeed the same person. Police seem to think the first one was legitimate, and it has been released for years. Why would they not release the 2nd one? This 2nd one seems to be directly threatening someone. I wonder if it was a threat to Avery, Caen, Belli, etc??
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   "The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 EmptySat May 28, 2011 10:56 am

Corresponding FBI file:

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   "The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 EmptySat May 28, 2011 11:13 am

Here, Graysmith states the Lass postcard that looked like this one, was received 10/5/70, and published 10/6/70, making it possible for a copycat for sure (if Graysmith is right)

http://books.google.com/books?id=EdBQ9jvHU80C&pg=PT397&lpg=PT397&dq=%22the+zodiac+is+going+to%22&source=bl&ots=Ex0Ocrj3qo&sig=KpMIEd-ef83U3hxz1fOXyF7MX5c&hl=en&ei=2g_hTbLuL7Pr0QHLt6G3Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22the%20zodiac%20is%20going%20to%22&f=false

Graysmith said the card was postmarked Berekeley 10/17/70, so whomever wrote it, held on to it for 5 days after making it.


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"The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 Fbi_an10

Does that say it was addressed to someone in "Orinda, CA"? Orinda is just 8 miles east of Berkeley. I see Seagull, me and others were right about the BERKELEY postmark.

Does anyone know of anything or anyone in ORINDA that Zodiac, real or fake, might want to send this card to?
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   "The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 EmptySat May 28, 2011 1:10 pm

Here is an old thread archived from zk.com

http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/gzd/452.html
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Does anyone know where the Oct. 5, 1970 postcard was sent? Since these two cards are so much alike and may have been composed by the same person they may have been sent to similar recipients. Not necessarily the same person or place like a reporter or newspaper for instance but similar, possibly the two were sent to the work and home of a particular person, though.
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Chris Y at ZKTRUTH has the Oct. 5 card as sent to the SF Chronicle.

It appears this 10/12/70 card was sent to someone in Orinda, CA.
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Hummm, Orinda is pretty much a bedroom community, albeit a very wealthy one, did Avery ever live in Orinda?
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Seagull wrote:
Hummm, Orinda is pretty much a bedroom community, albeit a very wealthy one, did Avery ever live in Orinda?

Ahhh Orinda, 94563..... use to work there. A beautiful little town. All of Orinda is high to doo. There is one area called Sleepy Hollow that is
even more tata then the rest. It has the reputation of having it's own little banana belt of excellent weather.....it's own paradise one might call it.
One of the main roads thur Sleepy Hollow is called Miners Road. My two former bosses lived there, beautiful homes & view!!!
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Seagull wrote:
Here an image of the Belli letter envelope that appeared in the SF Chronicle Dec. 28, 1969. It's very apparent that the envelope has excess postage.

"The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 Bellilettersfchron001

Any other Z letters made public besides this one? The reason I ask is, if a copycat went by the envelope shown in this news article, he would likely use several stamps. But in fact, just about all of Zodiac's envelopes contained only two stamps. The sender of this postcard in question , correctly used two stamps. Thats why I am wondering if any other Z envelopes were shown to the public prior to this postcard being received.
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One more FBI file about this questioned Zodiac letter:
"The Zodiac is going to"  postcard from 10/12/70 - Page 2 Zodiac13


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Interesting. So one of the SF Inspectors, who apparently lived in Orinda received this postcard and he thought he knew who the sender was. ??
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No.

The way I read it is ------------- of -------------------- Orinda, Ca got the card and gave it to the Inspector.
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Ok, yes.

It does appear that they still may think they know who the sender was....or am I reading that incorrectly too?
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If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
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morf13 wrote:
If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
Ya, no kidding morf!
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tahoe27 wrote:
Ok, yes.

It does appear that they still may think they know who the sender was....or am I reading that incorrectly too?

The person that received the card, and handed it over to police, thinks he knows who sent it to him.
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tahoe27 wrote:
morf13 wrote:
If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
Ya, no kidding morf!
I actually played around with my photo enhancing software, lightening, brightening, adjusting, everything,but could not make out the letters or words under those black lines.
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Morf it does seem as though that's what is being said, that the person who sent the letter to the Inspector possibly knows who sent this to him. Perhaps there was content in it that he had spoken of with this person, possibly the people/events named in the letter. I too feel that this is more likely to be a Zodiac correspondence.

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Great work, Morf and everyone else on this thread! Seems real to me. Also seems like LE might have dropped the ball on this one. Foreigner's comparison of the date being from the same newspaper (or wherever it was cut out) strikes me as super compelling. So either both postcards are fake or both are real.
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rand wrote:
Great work, Morf and everyone else on this thread! Seems real to me. Also seems like LE might have dropped the ball on this one. Foreigner's comparison of the date being from the same newspaper (or wherever it was cut out) strikes me as super compelling. So either both postcards are fake or both are real.

Yes, it sure is a possibility
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Nachtsider wrote:
I think the October 5 card might be legit, due to its 'body count' of 13 matching the hitherto unreleased body count of the last letter confirmed as Zodiac's work. This new card dated October 12 is very much like the October 5 card; I therefore think it might be the real deal, too. It would seem that Zodiac was pretty big on cut-and-paste DIY postcards during this time period (these cards and the Halloween card, for instance).

morf, do you or anyone else know if Zodiac's penchant for excess postage was a publicly available fact at the time?

IMO Z didn't know or have the correct amount of postage for a postcard vs. a letter so he used the double stamps to make sure there would be enough and guarantee delivery. What was the price of a stamp for a letter in 1970?
Did Z use double the amount of postage when not needed and when one stamp was the correct amount for the item being mailed? If so, then there is some significance to that but otherwise, it could just be a matter of using up old stamps and avoiding the hassle of buying stamps. Remember, back then there was no Internet and I seem to remember stamp machines being around in grocery stores but even they were a problem if you needed a stamp and didn't have the correct change.
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