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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Fri May 27, 2011 4:50 pm

So it WAS made public after all. Ah, well.

Thanks, Seagull.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Fri May 27, 2011 4:56 pm

Another thing that points towards this being a true Zodiac postcard, for me, is the PM in the postmark. The vast majority of Zodiac's letters and cards had the PM postmark, all but one, I believe.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Fri May 27, 2011 4:58 pm

I would say if the Lass "Peek through the pines" is real and the "13th victim FK I'm crackproof" are real - http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t102-13th-victim-claimed-and-fk-im-crackproof - and I think they are, then this new 10/12/70 one is probably real.

One or two newspapers may have printed an image of the double postage, but that doesn't it mean it was commonly known.

I don't know if any newspaper printed the image of the "13th victim FK I'm crackproof" card, maybe one or two did. Maybe none did. But this card seems so similar in design, method and feel.

I don't know...

What do people make of the message? Is there a name blanked out? Paul Avery? Someone else?

Is the main message that he IS going back to announcing his murders?

Could that tie in to Bennallack being killed on 10/26/70, and the Zodiac Halloween card announcing a 14th victim before the Bennallack story hit the newspapers?
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Fri May 27, 2011 5:19 pm

It could be Avery, or perhaps some other prominent individual.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 2:31 am


Great job, AGAIN Morf ! Thank you VERY much:)


IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.

Why?

Because:

1. the cut out day/date is proably from the same newspaper, exact same font.

2. both cards are signed with the name "Zodiac", and the name "Zodiac" in both cards are ALSO proably from the same newspaper, both in exact same font, only the Oct 5 is made by single cut out letters (NOT italics)and the Oct 12 is one single word cut out (this IS italics version of the font).

3. the crosshair symbols on the Oct 5 and the Oct 12 are very simelar in their design.

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 3:10 am

Theforeigner wrote:
IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.
That I can believe.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 7:42 am

Theforeigner wrote:

Great job, AGAIN Morf ! Thank you VERY much:)


IMO the new Oct 12, 1970 card is created by the very same person as the person who created the probale Zodiac card of Oct 5, 1970. Created exactly 1 week apart.

Why?

Because:

1. the cut out day/date is proably from the same newspaper, exact same font.

2. both cards are signed with the name "Zodiac", and the name "Zodiac" in both cards are ALSO proably from the same newspaper, both in exact same font, only the Oct 5 is made by single cut out letters (NOT italics)and the Oct 12 is one single word cut out (this IS italics version of the font).

3. the crosshair symbols on the Oct 5 and the Oct 12 are very simelar in their design.


Wow, very good Foreigner. Does anybody know how soon the photo of the Oct 5,1970 card was in the papers? If it wasnt shown in the papers, then it likely is indeed the same person. Police seem to think the first one was legitimate, and it has been released for years. Why would they not release the 2nd one? This 2nd one seems to be directly threatening someone. I wonder if it was a threat to Avery, Caen, Belli, etc??
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 10:56 am

Corresponding FBI file:

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 11:13 am

Here, Graysmith states the Lass postcard that looked like this one, was received 10/5/70, and published 10/6/70, making it possible for a copycat for sure (if Graysmith is right)

http://books.google.com/books?id=EdBQ9jvHU80C&pg=PT397&lpg=PT397&dq=%22the+zodiac+is+going+to%22&source=bl&ots=Ex0Ocrj3qo&sig=KpMIEd-ef83U3hxz1fOXyF7MX5c&hl=en&ei=2g_hTbLuL7Pr0QHLt6G3Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22the%20zodiac%20is%20going%20to%22&f=false

Graysmith said the card was postmarked Berekeley 10/17/70, so whomever wrote it, held on to it for 5 days after making it.


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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 12:42 pm



Does that say it was addressed to someone in "Orinda, CA"? Orinda is just 8 miles east of Berkeley. I see Seagull, me and others were right about the BERKELEY postmark.

Does anyone know of anything or anyone in ORINDA that Zodiac, real or fake, might want to send this card to?
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 1:10 pm

Here is an old thread archived from zk.com

http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/gzd/452.html
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 1:50 pm

Does anyone know where the Oct. 5, 1970 postcard was sent? Since these two cards are so much alike and may have been composed by the same person they may have been sent to similar recipients. Not necessarily the same person or place like a reporter or newspaper for instance but similar, possibly the two were sent to the work and home of a particular person, though.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 2:21 pm

Chris Y at ZKTRUTH has the Oct. 5 card as sent to the SF Chronicle.

It appears this 10/12/70 card was sent to someone in Orinda, CA.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 2:57 pm

Hummm, Orinda is pretty much a bedroom community, albeit a very wealthy one, did Avery ever live in Orinda?
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Sat May 28, 2011 9:23 pm

Seagull wrote:
Hummm, Orinda is pretty much a bedroom community, albeit a very wealthy one, did Avery ever live in Orinda?

Ahhh Orinda, 94563..... use to work there. A beautiful little town. All of Orinda is high to doo. There is one area called Sleepy Hollow that is
even more tata then the rest. It has the reputation of having it's own little banana belt of excellent weather.....it's own paradise one might call it.
One of the main roads thur Sleepy Hollow is called Miners Road. My two former bosses lived there, beautiful homes & view!!!
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:55 pm

Seagull wrote:
Here an image of the Belli letter envelope that appeared in the SF Chronicle Dec. 28, 1969. It's very apparent that the envelope has excess postage.


Any other Z letters made public besides this one? The reason I ask is, if a copycat went by the envelope shown in this news article, he would likely use several stamps. But in fact, just about all of Zodiac's envelopes contained only two stamps. The sender of this postcard in question , correctly used two stamps. Thats why I am wondering if any other Z envelopes were shown to the public prior to this postcard being received.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:39 pm

One more FBI file about this questioned Zodiac letter:


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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:17 am

Interesting. So one of the SF Inspectors, who apparently lived in Orinda received this postcard and he thought he knew who the sender was. ??
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:18 am

No.

The way I read it is ------------- of -------------------- Orinda, Ca got the card and gave it to the Inspector.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:28 am

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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:31 am

Ok, yes.

It does appear that they still may think they know who the sender was....or am I reading that incorrectly too?
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:31 am

If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:32 am

morf13 wrote:
If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
Ya, no kidding morf!
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:32 am

tahoe27 wrote:
Ok, yes.

It does appear that they still may think they know who the sender was....or am I reading that incorrectly too?

The person that received the card, and handed it over to police, thinks he knows who sent it to him.
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PostSubject: Re: "The Zodiac is going to" postcard from 10/12/70   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:33 am

tahoe27 wrote:
morf13 wrote:
If only there was a way to erase those black lines, I wonder what names & clues we would find?? Shocked
Ya, no kidding morf!
I actually played around with my photo enhancing software, lightening, brightening, adjusting, everything,but could not make out the letters or words under those black lines.
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