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PostSubject: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Tue May 10, 2011 4:22 pm

In July, 1975, someone claiming to be the Zodiac sent a letter in. It started with "Equinox 3:33 p.m." According to the FBI memo, it was "largely handwritten", and the Zodiac's known writing was "largely hand printed".

I requested this letter from the FBI and it was rejected a while back. I will appeal.

When I googled "Equinox 3:33 p.m.", I got the following-

Sep 22 Autumnal equinox, 3:33 pm, EST
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 12:57 pm

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In July, 1975, someone claiming to be the Zodiac sent a letter in. It started with "Equinox 3:33 p.m." According to the FBI memo, it was "largely handwritten", and the Zodiac's known writing was "largely hand printed".

I requested this letter from the FBI and it was rejected a while back. I will appeal.

When I googled "Equinox 3:33 p.m.", I got the following-

Sep 22 Autumnal equinox, 3:33 pm, EST

Here it is! After my appeal, the FBI released it to me.



Dated 9/22/72

My first thoughts on this are:

*The numbers. in my opinion. are very likely a match to the writing on Hartnell's door at Lake Berryessa, especially the number 2, looks dead on to me.

*If this is Zodiac, it is the first cursive writing we would have to work with. Previously, many have suspected that the Xmas card with cursive writing, to the Sister of Donna Lass may have been from Zodiac. Havent compared this cursive to that cursive yet.

*There is clearly a name written that looks like PHIL G, or PHIL A, or PHIL 4??? Could that be Zodiac's name, or a possible victim? I immediately thought of Phillip Guarido or Phillip Arthur Thompson.

*Under the name, is clearly a date, 4/14/41. Is that supposed to be Zodiac's birthday, or a possible victim's? If it was really Zodiac's birthday, then it puts him at about age 28 during the Z crimes, and close to the age Kathleen Johns described her attacker as being. It would put him at age 25 during the time of the Cheri Jo Bates attack.

*Clearly, Equinox 3:33 means Autumnal equinox, and the letter also mentions FULL ARIES MOON.

*The exclamation point looks Zodiac-like

*There was no copy of the envelope provided to me.

All in all, very interesting, I cant wait to see some opinions of the great bunch of people we have here!
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 1:31 pm

Anybody have any suspects named PHIL, born 4/14/41?? Any mention of a 'PHIL' in the Bates case?? Wonder if Z would be so brazen to leave police a clue like that to his identity? He couldnt be that stupid. That would put him in the graduating class, circa 1959....hmm, maybe time to check various yearbooks again?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 1:59 pm

The tipster to police and Avery on the Zodiac connection to the Bates case, who I think probably was Zodiac, called himself:

PHIL SINS.

PHIL 4? There are 4 letters in SINS.

3+3+3=9 . Kite and I proposed that 0-3-6-9 is the decode sequence in Caeser shifts for the Zodiac Codes.

TJK birthday is 5/22/42. So 9/22/72 is exactly 30 years 4 months after TJK birthday.

Mystical and astrology themes do not match most of previous confirmed Zodiac writings, but they do fit with the CANCER and LEO unconfirmed cards.

Writing does not look much like any previously known Z writing, unfortunately, IMO.


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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 2:00 pm

Thanks for finding and posting this Morf!

I'm just not seeing it as a Zodiac communique.

The "3's", the "4's"...this writer used the backwards 3 looking symbol with the line through it for "+"...

There is really nothing that jumps out as Zodiac's writing....to me anyway.


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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 2:10 pm

I am simply looking at the numbers, since the words are in cursive, we cant compare that to Zodiac.


The 2, 7, and 9, look the car door alot to me. The 3 and 4 arent as close.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 2:47 pm

Morf wow you are amazing with the information you bring. My thoughts Phil stuck right out at me the first I viewed it but looking at it again seems there is a T in front of it. Could T be a initial of his first name and maybe Phil having something to do with his last name ?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 2:51 pm

Wow, that is totally great that the FBI changed their mind and sent you the letters.

The numbers do look similar but the signing of the letter with a name, even if it is a fake name is way out of the ordinary for Zodiac. There is no Zodiac symbol.

Also the separation of the numbers is done with a slash instead of the dash that Zodiac used.

BTW Phil Sins DOB is 7/28/32.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:04 pm

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Wow, that is totally great that the FBI changed their mind and sent you the letters.

The numbers do look similar but the signing of the letter with a name, even if it is a fake name is way out of the ordinary for Zodiac. There is no Zodiac symbol.

Also the separation of the numbers is done with a slash instead of the dash that Zodiac used.

BTW Phil Sins DOB is 7/28/32.

Oh, so there really was a PHIL SINS?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:07 pm

I gave Morf a little tip that I got from the National Archives on how to get a denied record, and it looks like it may have helped.

That is a DOB for a real Phillip Sins? The one who nows lives in or near 29 Palms? There is nothing to suggest he was the tipster.

I think "Phil Sins" was a fake name used by the Zodiac.

It may not say "Phil", it looks like "TRib" of "TPhil".

On the Cancer card "Zodiac" referenced a "FLT 555". Now this mentions a "333".

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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm

Not so sure this is Zodiac either but not ready to rule it out either and just thank Morf for giving us the chance to see it. Anyhow did anyone else notice the Z type symbol that looks somewhat similar to the Bates letter ?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:13 pm

StitchMallone wrote:
Not so sure this is Zodiac either but not ready to rule it out either and just thank Morf for giving us the chance to see it. Anyhow did anyone else notice the Z type symbol that looks somewhat similar to the Bates letter ?

Where?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:17 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
I gave Morf a little tip that I got from the National Archives on how to get a denied record, and it looks like it may have helped.

That is a DOB for a real Phillip Sins? The one who nows lives in or near 29 Palms? There is nothing to suggest he was the tipster.

I think "Phil Sins" was a fake name used by the Zodiac.

It may not say "Phil", it looks like "TRib" of "TPhil".

On the Cancer card "Zodiac" referenced a "FLT 555". Now this mentions a "333".


Actually AK, I did a thorough check on this particular Phil Sins. He lived in Riverside at the time of the Bates murder. It can be confirmed by the birth records of his children and IIRC by voter registration records, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:23 pm

Does he admit to being the tipster?

Perhaps Zodiac used his name, finding it in a Riverside directory.

The tipster said "I wish to remain anonymous and I am sure you will understand why!" Later he gave the name "Phil Sins", but never retracted his desire to remain anonymous. The implication is it was a fake name. The tipster was "filling us in" on the Bates murder - "Phil Sins = Philsin = Fills In". Also "Sins" , and murder is a sin.

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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:26 pm

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AK Wilks wrote:
I gave Morf a little tip that I got from the National Archives on how to get a denied record, and it looks like it may have helped.

That is a DOB for a real Phillip Sins? The one who nows lives in or near 29 Palms? There is nothing to suggest he was the tipster.

I think "Phil Sins" was a fake name used by the Zodiac.

It may not say "Phil", it looks like "TRib" of "TPhil".

On the Cancer card "Zodiac" referenced a "FLT 555". Now this mentions a "333".


Actually AK, I did a thorough check on this particular Phil Sins. He lived in Riverside at the time of the Bates murder. It can be confirmed by the birth records of his children and IIRC by voter registration records, too.

Interesting
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:27 pm

I believe one of you guys should actually go and talk to Phil in order to clear all doubt.

As for the letter... the way the word 'Equinox' and some of the numbers are written makes my antennae prick up, but since most of the rest is cursive, I'm not totally sold.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:35 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
StitchMallone wrote:
Not so sure this is Zodiac either but not ready to rule it out either and just thank Morf for giving us the chance to see it. Anyhow did anyone else notice the Z type symbol that looks somewhat similar to the Bates letter ?

Where?
Between I'll See and for more on the right side of the letter.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:48 pm

StitchMallone wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:
StitchMallone wrote:
Not so sure this is Zodiac either but not ready to rule it out either and just thank Morf for giving us the chance to see it. Anyhow did anyone else notice the Z type symbol that looks somewhat similar to the Bates letter ?

Where?
Between I'll See and for more on the right side of the letter.

I see itnow, to the right and just above the word EVER.
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:52 pm

Yes Morf and not identical to the Bates letter but to me a strange looking Z either way if it is a Z ?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:55 pm

morf13 wrote:
StitchMallone wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:
StitchMallone wrote:
Not so sure this is Zodiac either but not ready to rule it out either and just thank Morf for giving us the chance to see it. Anyhow did anyone else notice the Z type symbol that looks somewhat similar to the Bates letter ?

Where?
Between I'll See and for more on the right side of the letter.

I see itnow, to the right and just above the word EVER.

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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:55 pm

StitchMallone wrote:
Yes Morf and not identical to the Bates letter but to me a strange looking Z either way if it is a Z ?

I thought it was a question mark at first
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 3:59 pm

It is intended as a "?", I think, but written to perhaps look like a "Z" or a "2" IMO.

Morf, nothing on this letter says "Zodiac". Do you know why they consider it a possible Z letter?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 4:02 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
It is intended as a "?", I think, but written to perhaps look like a "Z" or a "2" IMO.

Morf, nothing on this letter says "Zodiac". Do you know why they consider it a possible Z letter?

No idea, maybe the envelope had more clues, or the mention of astrology?
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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 4:07 pm

Another thing I noticed that Zodiac did not do when he wrote.

If you look, when this person writes, the sort of make a little check-mark like stroke upward. I don't recall Zodiac doing that. This is done a lot with this letter writer.

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PostSubject: Re: Equinox 3:33 p.m.   Fri May 27, 2011 4:10 pm

The fours are also different.
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