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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:14 pm

The "Alphabet murder" connection makes sense to me.

I have also wondered why the FBI used a different form when reviewing
this letter? I have not been able to find the same form in any of the other
files. Possible I could have missed one for sure but does not seem like the
usual form. Maybe protecting someone from civil proceedings?


Then there is also this episode that happened a few months earlier.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:12 pm

This part of the BRS police report mentions suspect GEORGE WATERS (Darlene's alleged stalker) as hanging at a bar in Albany. Do they mean Albany, NY?
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:44 pm

I took it to mean the Albany in California Morph, near Berkley. The people the RO is talking to refer to George drinking in several bars around Albany, but also that when he visited the Kat Pad that he used to go before and after he was working at Mare Island so I presumed it was the Albany near Berkley.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:09 pm

Yes, CA.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:29 am

Okay, thanks. For a second, i thought we had one more Zodiac person in NY
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:10 pm

morf13 wrote:
Bentley, I originally was thinking the same as you. Upon looking closer, I think the letter K is a match, as well as a couple other things. The FBI stated that the document in question COULD NOT be ruled out as coming from Zodiac.

I am shocked that supporters of GAIKOWSKI are not coming out of the woodwork regarding this letter.

In the Zodiac case, there seem to be clues connecting to Albany...from Ferrin & Crabtree going there, to GYKE going there, to Gaul living right near the medical center in question (even though it doesnt look like she was a Zodiac victim)

The reason, most likely, is that it is easily shown that Gaik was living in SF in 1973. My POI as well as others, on the other hand, may very well have moved to Albany NY.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:18 pm

morf13 wrote:
AK Wilks wrote:
Right at this time, in nearby Rochester New York and surrounding areas, the "Alphabet Killer" was at work.

He killed young girls and teens with initials CC in city starting with C, MM in city starting with M, and WW in city starting with W.

C is the 3rd letter, M the 13th, W the 23rd.

Killer probably inspired by Agatha Christie story.


Thst's true, but then again, the alphabet killer sexually assaulted the young adolescent females before he killed them, and that absolutely does not fit with any confirmed Zodiac activity.

By the way, here is my stab at the ciper, or at least the end of it. As you can see, I am not as sophisticated as some of you guys who know how to make nice professional looking blocks Laughing


The cipher appears to have 50 symbols.
And appears to end with "ALBANYMEDICALCENTERTHISONLYTHEBEGINNIN" or maybe even "ITISONLYTHEBEGINNING"

If correct, this would leave a name before that with 12 letters in it. Roland thinks it starts with a C and ends in a Y. Is that a first & last name, or just a last name????
C---DE--ENLY ALBANYMEDICALCENTERTHISONLYTHEBEGINNIN

In your solution, is the letter T signified by a crosshair symbol?
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:04 am

Below is my partial key. I have no idea if it is correct or not.
The letters in black I am pretty confident of. The ones in red are just
guesses. I grouped all of the circle symbols together due to the
poor condition of the copy. I cannot really tell which is which.

It just not seem very Z like to me. 50 characters, 3 lines.
18 on the first line. 21 on the second. 11 on the third.
I would think Z would square it up more but who knows?


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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:49 pm

Does this look like a similar type of code to you? Auth?

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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:56 pm

rand wrote:
Does this look like a similar type of code to you? Auth?



I'm still waiting for a better copy of that letter. I can't see the characters (especially towards the left side of the page) very well and, I know, it's possible to derive the characters from what the FBI has said, but I want to SEE the characters myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:42 pm

....even if it's a similar type of code, in no way implies that the same person encoded this...On first glance, it does not "look"like Z's "work to me...
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:52 pm

To me, looking at the code itself, it DOESNT resemble Zodiac's. But some of the writing in the letter that accompanied the code DOES look like Z in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:52 pm

To me the first part of the writing on the Albany letter looks like the writing on the possible Zodiac Atlanta child murders letter.

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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:17 pm

The code has 13 circle symbols. 4 of the circles are identified (maybe?)
due to the ALBANYMEDICALCENTER solution.
The circles appear 2 in a row three times.
I have been trying to differentiate between the circle symbols.
Thought I would throw some stuff up and see if anyone has some opinions.
The green lettering is the number the symbol appears in the code.


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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:32 pm

Could the code read any variation of:

Michelle Maenza in Macedon This is Only The Begining
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:18 am

Came up this this solution. No idea if it is correct.
CONNIE ROE, SLY ALBANY MEDICAL CENTER, THIS ONLY THE BEGINNING.
Albany Medical Center and New York had legal abortions before "Roe vs Wade".
Connie Roe died in 1972 due to complications from an abortion in NY.
Not sure if it was in Albany or not but it fits pretty good.
Maybe just a threatening letter from a pro lifer using the Z name
to cause problems at the hospital?
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:26 am

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Came up this this solution. No idea if it is correct.
CONNIE ROE, SLY ALBANY MEDICAL CENTER, THIS ONLY THE BEGINNING.
Albany Medical Center and New York had legal abortions before "Roe vs Wade".
Connie Roe died in 1972 due to complications from an abortion in NY.
Not sure if it was in Albany or not but it fits pretty good.
Maybe just a threatening letter from a pro lifer using the Z name
to cause problems at the hospital?

Interesting. It seems to fit. If only the symbols were clearer. If not ROE from "roe vs. wade", then maybe you are close, and the victim's name was something like CONNIE ROESLY, or somethin along those lines.
I think Roland did some work and came up with a partial different name. On Facebook, there are a couple facebook groups for ALBANY MEDICAL CENTER. You can see names of some workers going back to the early 70's, even the late 60's I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:30 am

I found a Connie Roesly, but she was born in 1961 and lived in the state of Indiana
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:43 am

There were many articles that the AP ran mentioning ALBANY MEDICAL CENTER that got picked up in CA newspapers. Perhaps Z read an article, and saw a name, then targeted that person. Then again, I still think it weird that multiple players from the Z mystery in CA, (Ferrin, Crabtree,GAIK) have ties to Albany all the way across the country, and Albany is the city that Z (or someone claiming to be Z) writes a letter & cipher to.

What was that old Bogart movie quote? "of all the gin joints in all the world"
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:13 am

Yea, just guessing. COOKIE is also a possibility as a first name.
ROESLY does seem to be the most common last name
out of the ones I come up with. The E, L, and Y are really
the only definites in the last name so there is alot of coming
up with a name that fits and seeing if it exists.
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PostSubject: Re: Albany, NY Letter from Zodiac August 1973   Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:34 am

caresut wrote:
Yea, just guessing. COOKIE is also a possibility as a first name.
ROESLY does seem to be the most common last name
out of the ones I come up with. The E, L, and Y are really
the only definites in the last name so there is alot of coming
up with a name that fits and seeing if it exists.

Maybe Conely, Conley, or Conelly?
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