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PostSubject: Isobel Watson   Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:38 am

RE: Isobel Watson

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lfw1vdIQ51oC&pg=PA275&dq=%22stabbing+of+a+legal%22&hl=en&ei=XnkjTMzaIoH98AaZup2bBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22stabbing%20of%20a%20legal%22&f=false

Legal Secretary attacked in Tamalpais Valley...she was stabbed, but her attacker got away, he was stocky, glasses, early 40's, drove white car.
Think this was 1974. Ken Narlow believed this was a Z attack. I will post some articles about it later.

Zodiac's possible ages varied from mid 20's to early 40's....depending on which case you look at. Just adds more confusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:15 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:08 pm

Do you know the date of the Watson attack?

Zodiac was definitely in SF in 74, going by the Exorcist, Badlands, SLA and Red Phantom letters. Also Arlis Perry was murdered at Stanford University 10/12/74 - within one day of the 5th anniversary of Stine murder.
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PostSubject: 1974   Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:52 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
Do you know the date of the Watson attack?

Zodiac was definitely in SF in 74, going by the Exorcist, Badlands, SLA and Red Phantom letters. Also Arlis Perry was murdered at Stanford University 10/12/74 - within one day of the 5th anniversary of Stine murder.

Yes AK , Arlis Perry's killer reminds me so much of my stalker ! She had written to one of her friends , that she had said hello to a man in a elevator, he wouldn't say anything at all back to her.
I use to say hello to my stalker when ever he would come into my work to watch me. At first I thought he didn't hear me when I would say hello ? So I said it a bit louder, and kind of in his face. Afer trying that a few times , he would mumble hellllooo, in a deep menacing flat monotoned voice.
The idea that Arlis 's car had a flat tire that night, made me think about how the Zodiac would do something to his victims cars, so he could offer help and then get the victim into his car.

Oct 12th was not only Alisters Crowleys birthday, but it was also Columbus day, and a Saturday.
I think the chance that Zodiac was the killer is pretty good. Arlis's co worker saw her at work talking to a man with light hair. He thought it was her husband, but found out later that it wasn't.
I have seen my stalker with a dark blond wig on before, could the man with the light hair have on a wig ? Could he have had a wig on the night Paul Stine was shot ? Is that what Zodiac meant, when he said : I only look like that when I do my thing ?
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:15 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
Do you know the date of the Watson attack?

Zodiac was definitely in SF in 74, going by the Exorcist, Badlands, SLA and Red Phantom letters. Also Arlis Perry was murdered at Stanford University 10/12/74 - within one day of the 5th anniversary of Stine murder.

The attack on Isobel Watson 33 years old, occurred :

April 7th, 1972, on Pine Hill Road, Tamalpis Valley, San Rafael, Ca.

In a newsreport April 19th, 1972, Napa County Sheriff´s capt. Ken Narlow stated that he belived there was a good chance that it was the Zodiac killer.

In another newsreport Ken Narlow stated:

"I´v been chasing the SOB for 2 years now and Mrs. Watson´s description seems to fit him to a "T" "
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PostSubject: Pine hill rd   Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:20 pm

Hi TF , The area where this took place , is right next to the area where the trailside killer did some of his attacks.
Pime Hill rd is at the foot of Mt. Tamalpais ( The sleeping Lady).
If you have the time to read Sleeping Lady by Robt Graysmith , it will make you wonder just how many of these victims could have been the Zodiac's ? Its a good read in spite of what some people may think of Robert Graysmith. Myself I like him as a person, and his writing even though he did embellish it, to make it look more like Art Allen was the Zodiac.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:59 pm

Theforeigner wrote:
The attack on Isobel Watson 33 years old, occurred :

April 7th, 1972, on Pine Hill Road, Tamalpis Valley, San Rafael, Ca.

Small correction, Tam Valley is not in San Rafael (as in the Red Phantom letter), it's part of Mill Valley, about 10 miles to the south, and indeed closer to the Trailside Killer attacks (and where he lived IIRC) as Sandy noted. I mention this because when I think of the Watson attack, I picture the perp possibly making a quick trip across the Golden Gate Bridge, as Pine Hill Rd. intersects Shoreline Hwy, a popular route for those crossing the bridge and heading up the mountain or out to the Marin coastline (as in Bolinas, where another body sometimes theorized as a Z attack was found, can't remember the name at the moment). Only a possibility of course. San Rafael is a larger city than Mill Valley and may have been listed as the general location in some reports, however the difference is noteworthy.

Edit: Leona Roberts was found in the Bolinas Lagoon.

Edit again: Here you can see the Watson location (the red A), San Rafael above and Bolinas to the west.

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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:38 am


Thanks Sandy and Bentley, for response, suggestion and correction:)
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:27 am

Isobel Watson had just gotten off the bus on Shoreline Highway and was walking up Pine Hill Road when she was actually hit by a car and knocked over (apparently, she was not seriously injured), and the driver stabbed her when she refused his offer to drive her home and turned to walk away. What is fascinating is that just 12 days before the attack, this story appeared in the SF Chronicle:


I think it's pretty obvious that Z read this and decided to give Armstrong and Toschi something to think about, since the location of the attack is not too far from their jurisdiction in SF...
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:24 am

Bullitt wrote:
Isobel Watson had just gotten off the bus on Shoreline Highway and was walking up Pine Hill Road when she was actually hit by a car and knocked over (apparently, she was not seriously injured), and the driver stabbed her when she refused his offer to drive her home and turned to walk away. What is fascinating is that just 12 days before the attack, this story appeared in the SF Chronicle:


I think it's pretty obvious that Z read this and decided to give Armstrong and Toschi something to think about, since the location of the attack is not too far from their jurisdiction in SF...

Ed, I had heard some discussion from people over at the ZK.com board, about a unreleased Z letter sent to DMV. And other discussion of a letter written by Melvin Belli about an "elderly pedestrian" that was a Z victim. Was Watson elderly at that time? And is there another elderly pedestrian that you know of that could be a Z victim?
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:30 pm

Isobel was 33. Not elderly in any shape or form.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:03 pm

Surely, LE had Watson do a composite. Where is it?
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:07 pm

rand wrote:
Surely, LE had Watson do a composite. Where is it?

Great question Rand, it sure would be interesting to get hold of that composite.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:57 am

rand wrote:
Surely, LE had Watson do a composite. Where is it?
You'd think they did. But I've since learned you can't take things like this for granted.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:25 pm

Where is Isobel Watson today? Has she given any recent interviews , she would be in her early 70s.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:23 pm

lucius wrote:
Where is Isobel Watson today? Has she given any recent interviews , she would be in her early 70s.

I reached out to her, and she did not reply.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:02 pm

Here is the entire Isobel Watson article, the first page of the thread has just the last part of it posted.



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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:08 am

'heavy black-rimmed reading glasses, a Zodiac trademark, was about...'

???

There is a Zodiac eyewear company in UK...is there any POI from Manchester/Stockport area?

QT

http://www.misterwhat.co.uk/company/644854-zodiac-eyewear-ltd-stockport

Zodiac Eyewear Ltd
Address:
15, King St West
Postcode:
SK3 0DT
City/Town:
Stockport (Greater Manchester)
Main phone:
0161 476 5560
Category:
Optical Goods


Other businesses in the category: Optical Goods in Stockport
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:31 am

Narlow DID enjoy the limelight, eh?
QT, no POI's in Stockport as far as I'm aware, although of course it is a navy and shipping area.
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PostSubject: Re: Isobel Watson   Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:34 pm

I left a message for I. Watson to call me and she did . ( Ricardo is a witness to that call back) She told me that she did not want to talk or think about what took place so long ago. I told her I had some pictures I wanted to show her, but she refused and said that is all in the past and she wouldn't look at any pictures either.

Morf you being male ,would have a much harder time getting her to call you back, she has no way of knowing if you were her attacker or not. Even though she said that she has left that in her past, I don't think she could forget about it and has to wonder if the man who did that is alive today or not? Our contacting her had to stir up bad memories.
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