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PostSubject: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:37 pm

The following list of missing & murdered women throughout the state of CA in the 1960's and 70's, if i am not mistaken, was created by a member of this forum (sorry I forget who). Its a pretty long list with lots of info. Some are names & cases I was familiar with, and some were not. Just thought I would post it here for all as a reference, and to whoever put the list together, thanks again-
https://public.sheet.zoho.com/sheetview.do?currtime=1333789172042&docid=1487315000000006035&name=quicktrader&mode=html&sheet=VICTIMS

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:43 pm

I would add two names to this list since they had 'car trouble' included in the cases...

Ernestine Frances Terello- Pulled over to tend to a "flat tire". Police theorize that a "good samaritan" had abducted her after offering to help her. Her body was later found about 6 miles away. She had expensive jewelery on her still and no evidence of rape or robbery.

Anne Marie Robinson- her car was also found with a flat tire...she never turned up.

EDIT: closer look shows both of these ladies are on the list already

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:31 pm

This is a great effort by whoever made up this chart. It is a little difficult to read as the larger you make it the less information is revealed, a byproduct that is understandable for a chart of this size with so many catagories after each name. There are a few errors regarding dates, if the person who made this chart would contact me by PM I can help with the errors and probably add a few names.
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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:08 pm

This sheet was made by....QT

Zodiachronology...here you go for an update, numerous victims were added:

https://public.sheet.zoho.com/public/quicktrader/victims-4

I occasionally will update and give you the latest version of course.

Seagull: Please give me more if you have ;_)

Mostly it is sad that we don't have more police reports and autopsy reports as those usually provide many details on the crime scene itself.

Better cooperation with police = More results for Z researchers

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:22 pm

Bravo QT, that's really nice and obviously a Herculean task.
Are there any VW Beetle incidences on it by any chance? Just wondering. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:29 pm

Ted Bundy was not that much around in California, however could've been present.

CJB drove a Beetle
Cheryl Cathleen 'Cathy' Nolan, green Volkswagen
Deborah Gay 'Debbie' Furlong + Kathy Reyne Snoozy - a white Volkswagen was seen (Teddie?)
Shepard / Hartnell - they drove a white Karman Ghia
Dorothy 'Dotty' May Rusnak Caylor - drove a light blue Volkswagen

That's all I know about.

@Seagull - yes it is difficult to read because it is so much information...but it is better to read it ONCE instead of picking some details all the time. It has some use as many other questions raise, of course. My primary goal was to figure out some pattern according to the method of killing...this however is quite difficult due to lack of autopsy reports.

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:37 pm

Good job QT, I knew it was somebody on this forum that made it, just couldnt remember who Very Happy
Looked at your updated list, interesting that 3 girls vanished from Lompoc area in a 2 day span in June 63

I will give you a name of a southern CA beach sniper who was arrested in the mid 60's, served time for his crime in the SF bay area, and got out in time for the Z crimes, and lived in Vallejo(cant find much on him at all, so will put his name out there with hope people might have more luck then I did)...NEAL HENRY BAALKE. Maybe he can go on your list

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:06 am

I'm guessing this Baalke guy didn't kill or injure anyone, morf? Strange that he got out so quick.
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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:48 am

Nachtsider wrote:
I'm guessing this Baalke guy didn't kill or injure anyone, morf? Strange that he got out so quick.

Yes, he shot a military guy on the beach, shot at him multiple times,and was charged with attempted murder...was negotiated down to lesser charge. He was sent to Vacaville prison and released after only serving a few years.







May be totally unrelated to Zodiac, but if you are looking for a guy in the Vallejo area who definitely has attcked somebody on a beach with a rifle, look no further than this guy. And 'IF' this guy was Zodiac, he would have been in prison for the Bates murder & letters, which personally, is hard for me to believe that Z wasnt at the very least, the Bates letter writer.

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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:12 pm

This seems like the place to mention a few things that I've thought about in the past.

Several of the murders listed here and mentioned in Graysmith's Zodiac have been lumped together as the so called "Astrological Murders" with the implication that LE has some basis for considering that they are related.

See the entry in the Encyclopedia of Unsolved Crimes pg. 25.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that is the case.

I'll go ahead an repost what I've said about this from an old thread I had made on ZKF.

Graysmith cites the supposed Confidential 1975 DOJ report: "“Unsolved Female Homicides, An Analysis of a Series of Related Murders in California and Western America”

He says that the report links 14 murders from California, instead of the 15 mentioned in the article and may be talking about different cases altogether.

I haven't been able to find anything about this report, and it remains skeptical how Graysmith knew about it if it was indeed confidential.

Bundy investigator Robert Keppel says that his partner attended the Northwest Missing and Murdered Woman Conference in Boise, Idaho in May 1975.

He says that they discussed the cases which we now call the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders.

Graysmith's report is dated February of 1975. His tally of 14 also includes the SRHM cases.

It seems that there is some validity to the notion that many of these unsolved murders during the time of the Zodiac are thought to be connected. People are anxious to connect these together or to a suspect, but it is frustrating because there is no consistency there and very little in the way of official information that I've seen.

Has anyone seen any of these reports on the subject?
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PostSubject: Re: BIG LIST of California's Missing & murdered women..Any Zodiac victims here?   Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:34 pm

Duckking, I have not seen the Idaho conference report that has been mentioned by Graysmith although I do have a list of 39 victims put together by Dave Struve, a criminal justice specialist with CA CII. His list is compiled from CA DOJ records. The list was done in mid 1974.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that the Idaho list exists somewhere as on April 23 1975 Sonoma County Sheriff's Department revealed their Giant Z Theory claiming that it was possible Zodiac killed numerous women in a number of western states. The trail of killings, they said, resembled a giant Z when marked on a map of the US. Various LE agencies did conviene to compare notes on all their cases and a May 1975 meeting date would be about right, IMO. The timing of Sonoma County's revelation and the supposed Idaho conference matches up pretty well.

The reason the report has never surfaced, to my knowledge, may be because it was learned that Ted Bundy was suspected in committing a large number of the murders in that Idaho report so as a Zodiac related item it has fallen by the wayside.
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