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PostSubject: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:55 pm

Disclaimer: This won't involve maths. Not from my end at least

I've had this one on my mind for a while but it's come back again recently when I was laying out the letters for comparison. Most notably, in this case, the little list letter. So he gives us the clue concerning the code but I always wondered about the giant crosshair. I used to wonder why it was upside down for one - I still don't know.

I had also wondered about the other giant crosshair and if there was any significance to the over-highlighted zero. Here's the two pages from the little list letter. His clue runs right through the second crosshair and similarly the highlighted zero is in the first crosshair.




So I decided to have a mess around and stuck the first one on the map. I did warn you, no maths. I should point out that I did this on a clean version of the map so it was just the crosshair with the zero and then centred on Diablo. I then just changed the size and rotated it and simply picked remote looking areas to see what it would line up with. I settled on Las Trampas Ridge and sized it to the middle with the crosshair rotated by 16.8. This is probably where Zynchronicity comes into play but when I checked it on google earth it seemed to be over an area on the ridge called 'The Bluffs' - "could be messy if you try to bluff me" eh eh? lol.

Anywho. Thought I'd stick something together with a little more credence. Here is a copy of AQ's map with the radians marked on and I've overlayed the first crosshair with the zero in it from the little list letter. I haven't rotated the crosshair this time and it's quite clear why - it doesn't need it as it lines up with the radian line rotated at 16.8.

No.1 is where the zero falls when I stick it straight on and no resize (means nothing of course as I don't know what the scale of the two images are in relation to each other)

No.2 is the crosshair sized so that it matches up with one of the inch circle markers.

No.3 is where my first unguided attempt roughly feel.



The obviously interesting thing here is that the zero lines up on the radian because it's been set to mag north. Also this seems to be in line with the stuff Quicktrader was posting about given that the zero falls in what looks to be a WSW direction.

So I guess the question is - Does the zero in the crosshair represent a rough visual clue to the location that the code refers to?

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:18 am

I like your thinking traveller. It would be really interesting to have the exact size of the Philips map and the cross-hair symbol as it was drawn. I remember messing around with this once, placing the O on the location of San Francisco Police Department and then looking at where the center of the cross-hair was - it lined up somewhere around Berkley I think.

EDIT: It appears that the SF section of the map that Z sent, is about 7 inches wide.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/The%20Mt.%20Diablo%20Map.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:42 am

Luke68 wrote:
I like your thinking traveller. It would be really interesting to have the exact size of the Philips map and the cross-hair symbol as it was drawn. I remember messing around with this once, placing the O on the location of San Francisco Police Department and then looking at where the center of the cross-hair was - it lined up somewhere around Berkley I think.

EDIT: It appears that the SF section of the map that Z sent, is about 7 inches wide.

http://zodiackillerfacts.com/The%20Mt.%20Diablo%20Map.htm

Thanks Luke.

EDIT: It appears that the SF section of the map that Z sent, is about 7 inches wide.

Cool I must have a look at that then.

Just thinking about this. I was trying to think, if this is a clue, how it combines with the info in the code without it being a complete solution. Wouldn't it be very Z like to have someone work and crack the code only to find out the zero on the SFPD=0 showed them the location all along.

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:01 pm

Never have figured out why he drew that one circle upside down..

Why is the SFPD zero a big fat zero? Perhaps that's it exactly, a big fat zero, if that figure of speech existed back then. It looks to be in a position roughly referencing SF in relation to Mt. Diablo.

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:19 pm

"Big fat Zero"....I like that. Smile

I have this map and had posted a lot of photos here at this site. I created a new thread dedicated to the original. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t1071-original-untouched-69-phillips-66-map



Edit: Added link

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PostSubject: Interpretation...   Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:32 pm

Mount_Diablo_Cipher.pdf - 996 KB

Here you find the information I wrote about...however I still work on other potential solutions, mainly because Z mentioned 'Radians + # inches' and not 'Inches + Radians'...

Traveller1st:
Your WSW is in 'geographical' direction...you may want to take a look at the 'magnetical' WSW as well - this may lead you to Lafayette, I guess.

I´ll try to calculate the precise position (Langitude/Latitude), maybe there is something to find there.

Depending on the map version, one inch on the map would probably be 6.4 miles, two-point-two inches therefore would be approx. 15 miles - which is about the distance from Mount Diablo to Lafayette (http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t1071-original-untouched-69-phillips-66-map)

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PostSubject: Radian theory - Mount Diablo map   Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:59 pm

Hi all,

if interpreting the Mount Diablo cipher as 'INCH: TWO POINT TWO RADIANS: EIGHTEEN', it´s possible to calculate the detailled langitude/latitude coordinates of this position (map scale 6.4 miles = 1 inch).

Calculating this (with Pythagoras' help), you end up in an area called 'Diablo View' in Orinda, close to Lafayette, with an address: 26, St. Stephens Drive. There is a strange sign on the house (see picture), which might be interpreted as a bomb? However I am not sure if this building wasn´t set up after 1970...would be interesting to know who has been the owner of the ground in 1970..maybe his name matches the my-name-is-cipher?


Radian analysis (click on symbols if pics don´t show up, the links should work):









26, St. Stephens Drive (Orinda, California)

Latitude: 37.8949951
Longitude: -122.171698115





Btw, there is a drawing of the building that somehow reminds me to some of the riverside yearbook or lake tahoe card drawings.
[/url]http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/26-Saint-Stephens-Dr-Orinda-CA-94563/2138570219_zpid/




There also has been a letter from Orinda as well:

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t748p30-the-zodiac-is-going-to-postcard-from-10-12-70

Any thoughts? I´d think the sign is strange enought to figure out the owner of this ground and to compare it with the my-name-is cipher, what do you think?

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:49 am

Quicktrader, have you tried placing the SFPD=0 mark over the location of the SFPD location?
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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:59 am

traveller1st wrote:
This should prob go under the Zynchronicity thread but even at that it only vaguely qualifies. It doesn't relate to the theory in this thread other than involving the map and what is written on the map. At the very least I learned something new, maybe, or just found something for all you numerology fans to play with.

So ...

I was reading another thread a few nights ago and Daniel G mentioned the 0 3 6 9 on the crosshair on the map. My apologies in advance Daniel because I couldn't even tell you what else you wrote, I got instantly distracted but thought I'd credit you as being the inspiration for doing what I did next.

I googled 0369 for reasons beyond my recollection. It was probably that part of my brain that gets me into trouble as it's default setting for any situation seems to be "I wonder what happens if I ...?"

Anyway, go ahead and try it, just 0369, nothing else and no spaces and see what comes up.

Put it in the Zyncronicity file,but my suspect "Jimmy O" who recently passed away, had a ss# that started with 369

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:15 am

Moved.

Would that be "Jimmy O369" ? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:15 am

traveller1st wrote:
Moved.

Would that be "Jimmy O369" ? Laughing

He was born in MI, and some of MI residents,including Jimmy, had one with the 369 in it

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:31 pm

I think the biggest overlooked clue with the Mt. Diablo letter is the fact he called this puzzle a CODE.

No where else does he use that term. Later, he refers back to the Mt. Diablo "code". Everything else is "cipher".

Why does this one stand out at CODE?

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0369 (imo) is a hint at a clock.

Inches along radians translate to degrees.

What do degrees and clocks translate to? A location.


http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/t404-mt-diablo-code-simply-longitude-latitude#6524
Watch the video in this link. "Basic 8th grade geometry"

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:52 pm

Good post T and good points.

Yeah the 0369 is a clock ref - hence moving the MOS codes stuff to zync.


I wish you hadn't asked what degrees and clocks translate to though because all I hear now is the tune to "Hammer Time" with the lyrics changed to "Angle Time" ....

... break it down now. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Code   Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:08 pm

I think the biggest overlooked clue with the Mt. Diablo letter is the fact he called this puzzle a CODE.

No where else does he use that term. Later, he refers back to the Mt. Diablo "code". Everything else is "cipher".

Why does this one stand out at CODE?


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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:08 am

Ray Grant wrote:
I think the biggest overlooked clue with the Mt. Diablo letter is the fact he called this puzzle a CODE.

No where else does he use that term. Later, he refers back to the Mt. Diablo "code". Everything else is "cipher".

Why does this one stand out at CODE?


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haveing a good time with the
code ? If not, tell them to cheer
up; when they do crack it
they will have me.

the Zodiac, August 1969 letter, in reference to The Cryptogram


Maybe because all other is encrypted plain text while the Mt. Diablo code itself has to be interpreted, is linking with a military style description to another location? A description not everybody would understand immediately?

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:48 pm

Interesting QT.

Thanks for the heads up Ray. It doesn't change my opinion of the Mt. Diablo code though. I still think it is a reference to something different than
the others.

We have the "Omega" symbol and no fillers.

I believe this code to have numbers in it.

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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:22 am

ZKF poster _pi came up with this solution:
THIRTEEN RAD ONE AND FOUR EIGHT INCHES
(I THINK that's what it was; if not, something very similar)

Turns out this location is in Antioch, in a section of the town where there are 7 schools nearby.
This is an interesting answer, for one thing because of the 13 RAD. That's two revolutions plus .44 RAD. Kinda tricky.
And also because of the 4/8 inches - the same as one half inch, but more precise.

However, I think _pi discovered about 4000 other solutions as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Mt Diablo - An Overlooked Clue?   Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:08 am

The fact that cipher fans differentiate between a "code" and a "cipher" is one of the reasons people tend to think Z was a hobbyist. Question

I think perhaps this is the overlooked clue here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPFsuc_M_3E
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