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PostSubject: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:10 pm

The Zodiac was thought to have sent this card on October 5, 1970, claiming 13 vicitms. He also makes the (upside down) statement that "Fk - Im Crackproof".



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PostSubject: Crack Proof   Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:18 pm

Was this ALL typewritten or are some of these GLUED on ??
They did a pretty good job on making it, since there were no
computer programs like we now have. What else do we know
about the postcard?
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:22 pm

Like the "Peek through the Pines" card it is composed of images and words cut out from newspapers and then glued onto the card.

Both Jack the Ripper and the Black Dahlia, as well as many kidnappers ramsom notes, did similar cards.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:23 am

There have been ongoing dicussions in the Z researchers community if the card was an authentic Zodiac communication. Here a link to articles stating that the inked words on the address side of the card had been confirmed as Zodiac's by handwriting expert Sherwood Morrill at that time.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LassArticles.html
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:04 am

Sorry, I just realize that this was a different card, i.e. the Peek Through The Pines card. Please disregard my above post as it is off topic.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:59 pm

When it comes to the cards and letters it surely seems that Zodiac pre-meditated these murders, perhaps picking the people at random but he definitely seems that he was going out to kill those days.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:09 pm

'Crack proof' is on the 10/5/70 card and 'crack proof' is used in the 3/13/71 letter with like 'I have always said [10/5/70]I am crack proof'as a clear reference to the 10/5/70 card. Also, the 10/5/70 card has the same unusual stamp or 'In the beginning God...'that the 10/27/70 card has!
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:08 pm



The punched holes look like 13 bullet holes to me.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:03 am

Rand (or anyone) -

What do you think "Fk" means?
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:08 am

Fuck, I'm crackproof.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:39 pm

I agree but could also be fools know I'm crackproof or something similar.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:05 am

Zodiac said "Bullshit!" in a letter, why would he be shy about saying "Fuck"? Also, "Fk" does not really suggest "Fuck" - "F--k" does.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:26 am

AK Wilks wrote:
Zodiac said "Bullshit!" in a letter, why would he be shy about saying "Fuck"? Also, "Fk" does not really suggest "Fuck" - "F--k" does.


Maybe he thought if he didnt use curse words, the letter may appear in a newspaper, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:49 pm

I've always found this card intriguing and one of the most likely unconfirmed communications to have actually been sent by Zodiac. The use of the term "crackproof" months before its use in a confirmed Zodiac letter, the misspelling of "closeing" (intentional or not, it fits one of Zodiac's worst spelling habits), the use of "cut & paste" technique weeks before the Halloween card and the overall non-derivative nature of the card all point to at least the possibility of this being legitimate.

I think AK is getting at Ted K.'s use of "FC" (Freedom Club) as a similarity. FWIW, George Metesky, the "Mad Bomber" of New York City in the 1940s and 50s and presumably another apt role model for Z as well used a mysterious "FP" as a signature for one of his communications. Silly serial bombers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Metesky

I think Fk as an abbreviation for Fuck is the most likely explanation but who knows?
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:47 am

"I think AK is getting at Ted K.'s use of "FC" (Freedom Club) as a similarity. FWIW, George Metesky, the "Mad Bomber" of New York City in the 1940s and 50s and presumably another apt role model for Z as well used a mysterious "FP" as a signature for one of his communications. Silly serial bombers..."

I think Zodiac, whoever he was, may have been inspired by the Mad Bomber using "FP" as a signature (Fair Play) and/or by the fictional anarchist terrorist group in the Conrad novel "The Secret Agent" also using "FP" (Future of the Proletariat). Also, I think the weird symbol on the Halloween card looks like an "FZ". Add to all that that Kaczynski's favorite book was "The Secret Agent" and he later put "FC" on his bombs.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:16 pm

AK Wilks wrote:
"I think AK is getting at Ted K.'s use of "FC" (Freedom Club) as a similarity. FWIW, George Metesky, the "Mad Bomber" of New York City in the 1940s and 50s and presumably another apt role model for Z as well used a mysterious "FP" as a signature for one of his communications. Silly serial bombers..."

I think Zodiac, whoever he was, may have been inspired by the Mad Bomber using "FP" as a signature (Fair Play) and/or by the fictional anarchist terrorist group in the Conrad novel "The Secret Agent" also using "FP" (Future of the Proletariat). Also, I think the weird symbol on the Halloween card looks like an "FZ". Add to all that that Kaczynski's favorite book was "The Secret Agent" and he later put "FC" on his bombs.


Reviewing a few old threads and feel the need to put a plug in here for the Diggers, whose anonymous anarchist members adopted the name of George Metesky in many of their writings in 1966-1968 San Francisco and listed him as an intellectual influence:

http://www.diggers.org/diggers/digart2.html#Delving the Diggers

http://www.diggers.org/digpaps68/takecop.html

http://www.diggers.org/digpaps68/images/d68_00lb.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:17 pm

One entire issue of The Realist, no. 81 whose cover Entropy has linked to above, was devoted to the Diggers. It can be read here-

http://www.ep.tc/realist/81/

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:07 pm

Yep, The Diggers are very interesting. Over at the now debunk ZodiacZee we really spent a lot of time researching them. I wish we had all our now lost info. Also looked into The Process Church. I still find them both fascinating, the question is: Did the Z.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:21 pm

This feels very Zodiac to me, he's giving his count of killed persons.
And he wouldn't lie about that, it would be exact, in my opinion.
What does he mean? "I am crack proof." Why would he say that?
Why does he think he is crack proof, what does he KNOW? Feedback?
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:43 pm

To solve a code is to 'crack' it. IMO he says crackproof to mean the 340 has not been solved.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:03 am

Or he's a geologist, or a mathematician, or a plumber.
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:59 am

onewhoknows wrote:
This feels very Zodiac to me, he's giving his count of killed persons.
And he wouldn't lie about that, it would be exact, in my opinion.
What does he mean? "I am crack proof." Why would he say that?
Why does he think he is crack proof, what does he KNOW? Feedback?

Agree with AK's explanation but I also think it is saying "nobody can figure me out" or find out who I am. In other words, HE is "crackproof" and his ciphers are as well. The most astounding thing about this card, IMO, is that the writer uses the term "crackproof" months before Zodiac uses the term in the March, 1971 Los Angeles Times letter. It also seems to foreshadow Zodiac's "collage style" used in the Halloween Card just a few weeks later. I suppose there is always the possibility that this one could be fake and that Zodiac saw it in the SF Chronicle and decided to have a little fun by reusing the term "crackproof".

http://cdn.sfgate.com/chronicle/acrobat/2007/02/25/zodiac_1970_10_12_1.pdf

For what it's worth, this article by Paul Avery seems to indicate that LE seems to feel pretty strongly about its authenticity.

"The detectives studied the card for two days and for reasons they decline to make public say they feel it "highly probable" it came from Zodiac."
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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:23 pm

Looking at this card a little closer, one thing about the cut & pasted type makes me scratch my head:

THE PACE ISN'T GETTING ANY SLOWER! IN
FACT IT'S JUST ONE BIG...
thirteenth

It appears that all but the last word are cut out from the same source as it's all in the same font and the first and second line were obviously cut out together. It would be a very unusual font to use in a newspaper so perhaps it could be from a greeting card? A birthday card perhaps? Did LE check out the source of this tidbit? A birthday card perhaps?

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:31 pm

I always thought it was an odd claim considering the first cipher/ciphers were cracked. Also, why does it say thirteenth and not thirteen - what's the significance of that I wonder, if any.

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PostSubject: Re: 13TH VICTIM CLAIMED AND "FK IM CRACKPROOF"   Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:35 pm

Would be nice, but doubtful that would have slipped by...

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